当我想到科幻小说时，我想到的是任何媒介的故事 When I think of science fiction, I think of stories in any medium
告诉我们我们可以成为什么样的人 that tell us what we could be
警告我们要去哪。 and warn us about where we're going.
每一部科幻小说 Every piece of science fiction
我喜欢纯粹的娱乐作品， that I enjoy works as pure entertainment,
它也可以作为社会评论， and it also works as a social commentary,
哲学或鼓舞人心的想法 philosophy or inspirational ideas.
它一直是一种流派 It was always a genre that carried with it
一种感受时代温度的感觉。 a sense of taking the temperature of its own times.
这是一个成熟的体裁，充满了有趣的内容 It's a ripe genre, it's full of interesting
反转和分支。 twists and offshoots.
我会让你生病的你会喜欢的，不是吗? I can get you diseases. You'd like that, wouldn't you?
我们可以选择的子类型太多了 There are so many sub-genres that are available to us
我认为这是一种丰富的景观。 and I think really give this kind of rich landscape.
科幻故事从一开始就存在 Science fiction storytelling exists from the beginning
电影制作，并坚持到底 of film-making, and persists through
两个世纪。 two centuries.
图片 Images
我们今天在电影院看到的都是基于电影中的图像 that we see in cinema today are built on images from movies
比如《2001》、《太空漫游》、《大都会》和《未来的事》。 like 2001, A Space Odyssey, Metropolis and Things to Come.
在50年代， In the '50s,
科幻是科学的延伸，科学是关于原子的， sci fi was an extension of science, and science was all about the atom,
原子就是这样，他们会把我们炸飞 and the atom was all about, they're going to blow us up
或者我们会有一个美好的未来因为我们的朋友原子。 or we're going to have a wonderful future because of our friend the atom.
80年代拍科幻电影的人， The people doing these science fiction films in the '80s,
他们开始看50年代的科幻小说， they cut their teeth on '50s sci fi,
但他们所做的是他们说，我们爱科幻是因为它所代表的东西。 but what they did is they said, we love sci fi for what it represents.
后核恐慌刺激了这么多的低预算周六 The post atomic scare that stimulated so many of these low budget Saturday
日场类型的电影。 matinee type movies.
他们真的影响了我们的童年。 They really impacted us as children.
但与70年代的电影不同的是， But in a different way than films now in the '70s,
电影往往更有社会意识，更有艺术性。 films tend to be more socially conscious, more artistically presented.
但让我们看一部B级片 But let's take a B movie
就像我们在拍一部艺术电影一样，没有一个圆满的结局。 and just do it as though we're doing an art film, without a happy ending.
转向黑暗，虚无主义的科幻小说，我认为，很大程度上是对 The twist towards the dark, nihilistic sci fi, I think, was largely a response against
科技，政府，战争，尤其是在越南时期。 technology, government, war, especially in the Vietnam era.
很多反乌托邦电影 A lot of those dystopian films
你在警告全球变暖吗 were warning about global warming
还有军备竞赛。 and the arms race.
你疯子!你把它炸了! You maniacs! You blew it up!
我认为这些事情会让人觉得自己很渺小 Things that I think made people feel very small
而且非常失控。这似乎是真的 and very out of control. And that seems to really be
《星球大战》之前的科幻小说 what science fiction is about until Star Wars.
科幻小说和电影的整体基调真的改变了 The whole tone of science fiction and films really changes
与卢卡斯和斯皮尔伯格在七八十年代合作， with Lucas and Spielberg in the '70s and '80s,
它开始向我们展示世界的积极可能性 and it starts showing us the positive possibilities in our world
而不是不断地警告我们把事情搞砸了。 as opposed to constantly warning us about all the ways we're messing up.
斯皮尔伯格说:“我们不能回到 Spielberg said, "Can't we go back to what
“我从小就有，哪是科幻和想象的美?” "I grew up with, which is the beauty of sci fi and imagination?
“让我们不要纠结于科技的腐败影响。” "Let's not dwell on the corrupting influence of technology."
在接下来的十年或整个80年代， For the next decade or so across the '80s,
科学，小说， that amalgamation of science, fiction,
而幻想，似乎是驱动力。 and fantasy, seemed to be the driving force.
科幻小说变得直接， Science fiction became direct,
直白，挑衅，清晰。 straightforward, provocative, clear.
如果你把它放在另一个星球上 Any idea that anybody had if you set it on another planet or
设定在未来，设定在反乌托邦，你就能筹到钱去做。 set it in the future, set it in dystopia, you could get the money to do it.
现在，科幻电影是可行的票房。 Now, sci fi was viable box office.
现在，电影公司开始在这类题材上砸钱 And now the studios are throwing money at the genre
你会得到最好的电影人和最好的演员， and you're getting the best filmmakers and the best actors,
他们有资金带你去别的地方。 and they have the funds to take you to other places.
科幻小说真正成熟并爆发了 Sci fi truly came of age and exploded
在80年代。 in the '80s.
我们正在创造能模仿人类行为的机器。 We are creating machines that mimic human behavior.
人类的身体，人类的智慧。 The human body, human intelligence.
在土星3号上，你可以看到赫克托的仿生体， In Saturn 3, you see the bio-mimicry of Hector,
机器继承了人类创造者的思想和精神变态。 the machine taking on its human creator's ideas and psychopathy.
当然，土星3号的销售方式很大程度上依赖于外星人、机器人和科学。 Certainly, the way Saturn 3 was sold, leaned heavily on Alien, robots, science.
诸如此类的东西，但它更倚重于法拉·福西特 All that kind of stuff, but it leaned even more heavily on Farrah Fawcett
还有她那迷人的笑容，事实上我们所有人 and that absolutely stunning smile of hers, in the fact that all of us
被《霹雳娇娃》里的法拉迷住了。 were enamored of Farrah from Charlie's Angels.
我有那张海报，每个人都有。 I had that poster, everybody had that poster.
想到法拉·福西特可能穿着性感的衣服 And the idea that Farrah Fawcett might be wearing something sexy or
什么都没做，我肯定带着年轻的自己去看了土星3号。 nothing at all, definitely got my young self out to see Saturn 3.
然而，你看到的是完全不同的电影。 The movie you got, however, was a completely different movie.
你是我们生命中的大事。 You're quite an event in our lives.
我想在土星3号上不会有很多人顺道造访。 Well, I guess you don't get many drop-ins on Saturn 3.
几乎没有，尤其是从地球上。 Hardly ever, especially not from earth.
我们在一个光滑的空间站上， We are on a space station that is slick,
设计精美，色彩鲜艳，而且所有的边缘都很平滑。 and designed and shiny and colorful, and all the edges are smoothed out.
所有可能被提出的想法 All of the ideas that might have been initiated
到土星3号的成品时就消失了。 by Alien are gone by the time you get to the finished product of Saturn 3.
我们经常能看到柯克·道格拉斯的裸体， We get to see Kirk Douglas naked a lot,
但不是法拉·福西特。 but not Farrah Fawcett.
这是一种前瞻性的思考。 That was kind of forward thinking.
被他利用，你不觉得恶心吗? Doesn't it disgust you to be used by him?
被一个老人碰吗?难道你感觉不到衰败吗? To be touched by an old man? Can't you feel the decay?
他想要表达自己的男子气概， The notion that he wanted to express his virility,
他仍然是一个男主角，他仍然是一个动作明星。 that he's still a leading man, that he was still an action star.
柯克·道格拉斯对此非常讲究。关于这个问题 Kirk Douglas was very particular about that. About that in terms
关于男人的概念，关于男性电影明星和演员 of the notion of men, of male movie stars and actors
以及他们在电影中的表现方式。 and the way that they should come off in film.
中止! Abort!
很高兴你没叫他握手。 Glad you didn't ask him to shake hands.
这是一部复杂的电影 It's a complicated film, you got
导演是《雨中曲》的导演斯坦利·多南 you got Stanley Donen, the Singin' in the Rain director, directing
这种科幻歌剧和这个疯狂性欲过度的机器人。 this sort of science fiction opera with this crazy, oversexed robot.
不!不!不! No! No! No!
他可能不是那个合适的导演。 He's probably not the right director for that.
制作设计师约翰·巴里，他可能是合适的人选。 The production designer, John Barry, he was probably the correct person.
这个剧本是根据他的故事改编的。 The scenario was based on his stories.
但柯克不喜欢约翰，所以解雇了他，雇用了斯坦利·多宁。 But Kirk didn't like John and so got him fired and had Stanley Donen hired.
柯克·道格拉斯不喜欢约翰·巴里。他摆脱了他。 So you have Kirk Douglas, who doesn't like John Barry. He gets rid of him.
还有斯坦利·多宁，他不喜欢哈维·凯特尔的声音。 And then you have Stanley Donen, who doesn't like Harvey Keitel's voice.
现在我们有了这个奇怪的 Now we have this weird
从哈维·凯特尔的脸上传出一种准英国人的声音。 sort of quasi British voice coming out of Harvey Keitel's face.
你为什么不说话? Why won't you talk?
为什么不呢?我做错了什么? Why not? What have I done wrong?
所有这些决定都是 All of these decisions just sort of led
这部电影一团糟，除了法拉·福西特。 to something of a mess of a movie, except for Farrah Fawcett.
向法拉·福西特致敬 Kudos to Farrah Fawcett
感谢你和那些男孩们相处以及发生在那里的事。 for dealing with all those boys and what was going on there.
这似乎没有联系 It just didn't seem to connect
就像《星球大战》系列电影一样 with the bigger universe in the way that the Star Wars films had.
不，这一切都发生在这个空间站上 No, this was all stuff happening on this space station
在这些人和一个变态机器人之间。 between these people and a freaky robot.
检查伴侣。 Check mate.
整个星球大战 The whole Star Wars
经验是一种现象。 experience is a phenomenon.
它在某种程度上打开了视野 It opened up horizons in a way
这是没人能想到的。 that nobody ever imagined.
我要进去了。 I'm going in.
我很喜欢。 I loved it.
这个原力很强大。 The Force is strong with this one.
我一直觉得乔治·卢卡斯 I always felt that George Lucas
是一个非常独特的人他有独特的观点。 was a very unique individual who had a unique point of view.
我常常怀疑他是否知道 I often wondered if he knew
他真正要介绍的是。 what he was really introducing.
帝国反击战 The Empire Strikes Back
明年夏天来你们的星系。 Coming to your galaxy next summer.
与兰多 With Lando,
我不想创造一个黑人角色，或者白人角色。兰多就是兰多。 I didn't want to make a black character, or a white character. Lando was Lando.
就好像比利·迪对我来说就是比利·迪。 It's like Billy Dee to me is Billy Dee.
我想向你展示我个人的独特性。 I want to show you my own personal uniqueness.
你好吗，你这个老海盗? How you doin', you old pirate?
见到你真是太好了! It's so good to see you!
我想谈谈 I wanted to talk about
一个虚张声势的人。 a swashbuckling kind of individual.
欢迎,莱娅。 Welcome, Leia.
能和克什纳合作是我的荣幸。 That was an honor, to work with Kershner.
首先，他是一个真正的演员导演，所以他真的理解 He was a real actor's director for one thing, so he really understood
人类的行为。 the human behavior.
好了，殿下，我想就这样了。 Well, your highness, I guess this is it.
这是正确的。 That's right.
别对我这么多愁善感。再见，公主。 Don't get all mushy on me. So long, princess.
这不仅仅是基于 It wasn't just purely based on
这种太空之旅。 this kind of a journey into space.
打它! Punch it!
伟大的事情之一 One of the great things
关于扮演一个可疑的角色。 about playing a kind of a dubious character.
他们不是坏人，他们只是陷入了困境。 They're not bad people, they're just caught up in situations.
我记得我去学校接女儿， I remember picking my daughter from school,
孩子们会指责我背叛汉·索罗 and the kids would accuse me of betraying Han Solo.
我就在校园的正中央 And I'm right in the middle of the schoolyard
和这些孩子们辩论。 having this debate with these kids.
我别无选择。他们在你之前就到了。 I had no choice. They arrived right before you did.
我很抱歉。 I'm sorry.
如果你通过一种脆弱来表达这些角色， If you express those characters through a kind of vulnerability,
那我觉得它就更美味了 then I think it makes it more palatable
更有趣。 and much more interesting.
我是你的父亲。 I am your father.
乔治想保守一切秘密， George wanted to keep everything secret,
他希望电影中的一切都是一个惊喜。 he wanted everything to be a surprise in the movie.
卡莉和马克签了多部电影的合同， Unlike Carrie and Mark, who signed contracts for multiple movies,
哈里森只签了一部电影， Harrison only signed for one movie,
每一部电影都是和他单独签订的合同。 and each movie was a separate contract with him.
乔治不确定他是否会回来做绝地武士。 George wasn't sure he would come back for Jedi.
这就是为什么，在《嘻哈帝国》的结尾，汉·索罗被冻在了炭里。 So that's why, at the end of Empire, Han Solo gets frozen in carbonite.
我爱你。 I love you.
我知道。 I know.
他们需要一个办法，如果哈里森 They needed a way, if Harrison
没回来看第三部，你怎么解释发生了什么? didn't come back for the third movie, how do you explain what happened?
但如果他真的回来了，你给他解冻， But if he does come back, you defrost him,
我们都很开心。 and we're all happy.
乔治是个有想法的人， George is more of an idea person,
有这些伟大的，奇妙的幻象。 that has these great, fantastic visions.
我有点惊讶，因为他在说 And I was a little bit surprised because he was talking about
帝国反击战的预算 the budget for Empire Strikes Back.
他想弄清楚 And he was trying to figure out
如何不花比第一部《星球大战》还多的钱。 how not to spend the more money than he spent on the first Star Wars movie.
我觉得这家伙就是一块巨石 I'm thinking this guy is this monolith
就创造力而言。 as far as creativity is concerned.
但这里有一个人在思考 But here's a guy thinking about
我要花多少钱才能想出一个点子。 how much money am I spending to put an idea together.
是的，这是演艺圈。 Yeah, it's show business.
这也是乔治所感受到的压力 Part of the pressure that George was feeling
是因为他出钱了吗 was because he had financed
而不是让工作室去做。 Empire himself, as opposed to having a studio do it.
当电影超出时间和预算时， And when the movie ran over time and budget,
他不得不提供更多的抵押品。 he had to put up more collateral.
所以有很大的压力，如果电影不成功， And so there was a lot of pressure that, had the movie not been successful,
他可能会回到起点。 he could have ended up back at the start.
57回声站，我们马上到。 Echo-Station Five-Seven, we're on our way.
乔治·卢卡斯是一份礼物。他改变了整个电影界。 George Lucas was a gift. He changed the whole world of cinema.
他提出了所有这些新思想。 He introduced all of these new ideas.
你如何解释这种经历? How do you explain that experience?
这是命中注定的。 It was meant to be.
它改变了一切。 It changed everything.
介绍多萝西·r·斯特拉腾，花花公子 Introducing Dorothy R. Stratten, Playboy's
年度玩伴，作为你最喜欢的女孩。 playmate of the year, as your favorite gal.
Galaxina。 Galaxina.
我完全不能告诉你情节，是多萝西·斯特拉腾，对吧? I couldn't tell you the plot of that at all, it was Dorothy Stratten, right?
你只需要知道这些就够了。 I mean, that's all you need to know.
看着她很愉快。 She was delightful to watch.
当我看着Galaxina，我看到的是可能性， When I look at Galaxina, what I see is possibility,
各种各样的可能性。 all kinds of possibilities.
《Galaxina》是一部恶搞电影。 Galaxina is a parody movie.
我是点点先生。 Name's Mr. Spot.
《星际迷航》《星球大战》还有一点《异形》 Star Trek, Star Wars, a little bit of Alien.
以及之前所有的电影 And all of the movies that were made before it
那是好多好多了。电影《Galaxina》中至少存在两种比喻。 that were way, way better. At least two tropes exist in the film Galaxina.
这些是《星球大战》里酒吧的代表， These sort of representations of the cantina from Star Wars,
所有这些来自宇宙的生物都在那里。 where all of these creatures from all over the universe are.
宇宙飞船划过屏幕的画面， And the image of that spacecraft coming across the screen,
没完没了，电影里各种疯狂的事情都在发生。 and going on forever, all kinds of nutty things going on in that movie.
那部电影里有一段感情很好，很来电 There's one relationship in that movie that works and rings
如真如真。这是Galaxina和Stephen Macht的关系 as true and real. And it's the relationship between Galaxina and Stephen Macht's
他扮演雷神。 character, he plays Thor.
你是机器，而我是人。 You're a machine, and I'm a human being.
这是另一种机器。 Which is just another kind of machine really.
他们相爱了，但他们不可能真的相爱，因为她是个机器人。 They fall in love, but they can't really be in love, because she's an android.
但她知道如何纠正一些事情，这样她就能拥有人类的感情。 But she figures out how to correct something so that she can have human feelings.
我爱你，托尔中士 I love you, Sgt. Thor
那两个演员之间的瞬间，是电影中最真实的瞬间。 Those moments between those two actors, are the realest moments in that movie.
在《Galaxina》中，我们看到了第一个想法 In Galaxina, we see the first idea
人工智能机器中的性爱机器人。 of sex bots in artificial intelligent machines.
如果他们培养了自我意识，他们会有什么感觉? How will they feel if they develop self-awareness?
底线在哪里?真的会触动我们的心理。 Where is the line? Really pulls at our psychology.
我真的认为那些煽动性的故事对我们很重要。 I really think those provocative stories are important for us.
所有这些加起来就是一些不太好的东西 What it all adds up to is something that's not quite as good
这些独立的片段，但是这些独立的片段 as those individual pieces, but those individual pieces
都在我脑海里挥之不去 that are stuck in my head,
我可能会永远记得。 I will probably remember forever.
我会永远记得外星人从艾弗里·施赖伯嘴里说出来。 I will remember that alien coming out of Avery Schreiber's mouth, forever.
不幸的是，盖乐吉娜，是悬在上面的东西 Galaxina, sadly, the thing that hangs over it
多萝西·斯特拉腾的谋杀案 more than anything is the murder of Dorothy Stratten.
想起那部电影就很难不记起来 It's hard to think of the movie without remembering
她怎么了? what happened to her.
我真的很感激Galaxina，不仅仅是因为多萝西的遭遇， I really appreciate Galaxina, and not just because of what happened to Dorothy,
而是因为有些东西 but because there was something
在那部电影里暗示，那里可能有更多的人 suggested in that movie, that there could have been more there
她将来可能会有更多的机会。 and there might have been more in the future for her.
最后的倒计时即将开始。 The Final Countdown is about to begin.
最后的倒计时 The Final Countdown
是关于1980年的尼米兹号航空母舰的 is about the USS Nimitz, an aircraft carrier in 1980
被送回1941年12月6日。 that gets sent back in time to December 6th, 1941.
这张照片是不到一小时前拍的。 That was taken less than an hour ago.
我不明白，长官，这些是二战前的照片。 I don't understand, sir. These are pre–World War II pictures.
凭借一艘航空母舰和所有的现代技术 Single handedly, with the one aircraft carrier and all the modern technology
他们可以任意支配，完全可以阻挠 they have at their disposal, could absolutely thwart
偷袭珍珠港 the attack on Pearl Harbor.
美利坚合众国遭到攻击。 The United States of America falls under attack.
我们的工作是捍卫它。 Our job is to defend it.
过去，现在或未来 The past, present or future.
现在，船长和船员们必须面对的问题 Now, the question that the captain and the crew have to face
他们这么做是因为他们发誓要保卫美国吗 is, do they do that because they are sworn defenders of the United States,
这是敌人吗? and this is an enemy?
还是让历史像我们所知道的那样重演? Or do they allow history to play out as we know it did?
经典的时间旅行困境。 The classic time travel dilemma.
你往后跳。 You jump back.
你已经引起了你没有预料到的奇怪的连锁反应。 You've now caused this weird ripple effect that you didn't expect.
这会在时间轴上造成裂痕。 This is going to create a fracture in the timeline.
我们知道未来40年所有的错误都将发生在哪里。 We know where all of the mistakes are going to be made for the next 40 years.
你有能力纠正它们。 And you've got the power to correct them.
你别管这事。 You stay out of this.
最后的倒计时就是一个很好的例子 The final countdown is a great example
关于这个想法，你知道，你会干预还是不会? of that idea that, you know, do you interfere or don't you?
如果我们能回到过去，我们会想要改变历史吗? If we could travel back in time, would we want to change history?
它将如何影响未来? How it would affect the future?
如果你回到过去，杀死了你祖父母的血统， What if you go back in time and it kills the bloodline of your grandparents,
那你就不存在了。 then you never exist.
我的直觉告诉我事情只发生过一次， I still have a gut instinct that things only happened once,
如果真的发生了，我们就无能为力了。 and if they have happened, then there's nothing we can do to change them.
我们也不应该尝试。 Nor should we try.
科幻小说里有很多自相矛盾的想法 There's all these paradoxical ideas that exist in science fiction
从来没有得到令人满意的答案， that have never been really answered satisfactorily,
因为我们还没有科学依据来判断到底是偏向哪一方。 because we don't have the science yet to lean one way or another.
这是一个足够有趣的故事情节，吸引我们并让我们思考， It's an interesting enough storyline that draws us in and makes us think,
你知道，行动或不行动的后果。 you know, the ramifications of action, or inaction.
这是美国军舰。或者至少，它曾经是! This is the United States warship. Or at least, it used to be!
或者将来会是，管他呢! Or will be, or what the hell ever!
你是谁? Who are you?
闪电戈登，四分卫，纽约喷气机队。 Flash Gordon, Quarterback, New York Jets.
闪电·戈登是真的 Flash Gordon was true
巴斯特·克拉布系列和亚历克斯·雷蒙德 to the Buster Crabbe serials and Alex Raymond
漫画书。 comic books.
我觉得如果尼克·罗格演了闪电侠戈登 I think if Nick Roeg had done Flash Gordon
按照最初的计划，应该是这样的 as the original plan was, it would have been
和迈克·霍奇斯的电影完全不同。 a completely different movie than the one that Mike Hodges did.
我能听到迪诺说，不，这太疯狂了， I can hear Dino now saying, "No, it is a crazy,
“不要这样做，这太梦幻了，我们想用枪和射击， "don't do it like this, it is too much dream like, we want with guns and shooting,
“还有奶子大的女孩。”你知道吗? "and girls with big tits." You know?
迪诺·德·劳伦蒂斯。 Dino De Laurentiis.
他就像一个斯文加利。 He was like a Svengali.
他有一个宏大的愿景，那就是这部电影很重要 He had this big vision that the movie mattered
最重要的是。 above all else.
迈克尔·霍奇斯在开拍前三周来过。 Michael Hodges came in three weeks before filming.
在帝国漩涡中发现了奇怪的物体。 Strange object imaged in the imperial vortex.
最后我们基本上即兴发挥了不少。 We ended up basically improvising quite a bit.
是的。 Yeah.
当你即兴发挥的时候，有时你会得到金子。 When you improvise, sometimes you get gold.
去,Flash。走吧! Go, Flash. Go!
布景很棒， The sets were amazing,
那套服装美得令人发指。 the costume was outrageously great.
法什·戈登穿的是什么 What was Flash Gordon wearing
在行刑现场吗? during the execution scene?
热裤，好吗?绿色皮衣，热裤。 Hot pants, Okay? Green leather, hot pants.
向丹尼洛·多纳蒂致敬，他是布景和服装设计师， Tip of the hat to Danilo Donati, who was the set and costume designer,
他至少应该被提名奥斯卡金像奖。 he should have been nominated at least for an Academy Award.
可怜的地球人。 Pathetic earthlings.
把你们的身体扔进虚空。 Hurling your bodies out into the void.
马克斯·冯·赛多， Max von Sydow,
他的服装又重又难穿，他不能 his costume was so heavy and difficult, he couldn't
坐下，他们得把他靠在背板上。 sit down, they had to lean him on a backboard.
戈登的活着! Gordon's alive!
布莱恩有福。他们打破了常规 Brian Blessed. They broke the mold
当他来到这个星球时。 when he came to this planet.
到死为止! To the death!
在山姆和蒂莫西·道尔顿的那个移动光盘的场景中， In the scene with the moving disc with Sam and Timothy Dalton,
布莱恩·布莱斯特只是一个接一个地捣乱。 Brian Blessed is just making one crack after another.
-我笑得很厉害。-为什么要折磨犯人? - I was laughing so hard. - Why are prisoners tortured?
还有我躺在桌子上，他掐我的那场戏 And the scene where I'm on the table and he pinches
我的屁股不在剧本里，那是Brian bless的特别节目。 my bottom was not in the script, it was a Brian Blessed special.
我有我的怀疑。 I have my suspicions.
法什·戈登的一个惊人之处， one of the amazing things about Flash Gordon,
这是它的甜美，它的纯真。 it was the sweetness of it, the innocence.
哦，太疯狂了! Oh, it's so crazy!
这种甜蜜让房间里有了这些双关语。 And that sweetness allows for the room to have all these double entendres.
一些成人内容，微妙的和不那么微妙的。 Some adult content, subtle and not-so-subtle.
明有他的魔法戒指，使我有很多乐趣。 Ming has his magic ring that causes me to have a lot of pleasure.
但这很有效，因为我很无辜，只是不太清楚 But it works because I'm this innocent who just doesn't quite know
发生了什么事? what's going on.
你见过这样的反应吗? Did you ever see such response?
不,真的。她甚至可以和你女儿竞争。 No, truly. She even rivals your daughter.
看看奥内拉，那个诱惑的场景 Look at Ornella, that seduction scene
她坐在我腿上，我不停地告诉导演， where she's sitting on my lap, I kept telling the director,
我不太明白。 I'm not really getting this.
我需要再拍一次，好吗? I need another take, okay?
天啊，这姑娘真让我欲火焚身。 Oh my god, this girl's really turning me on.
我不太明白。再想想。 I didn't quite get that. Think it again.
哦,是的, Oh, yeah,
这把它带到了一个完全不同的水平。 that took it to a whole 'nother level.
一开始就有人告诉我迪诺不想要女王。 I was told in the beginning Dino did not want Queen.
他说:“不，那不是我的电影。” He was quoted as saying, "No, that's a not for my movie."
奎恩不仅补充了法什·戈登， Queen not only complemented Flash Gordon,
它带来了巨大的价值。 it brought tremendous value.
它是摇滚的，是喜庆的，是抒情的， It was rock and roll, it was festive, it was lyrical,
这就是这部电影的内容。 and that's what the movie is.
这不是一部黑色电影，这是一部连环漫画， This is not a dark movie, it's a cartoon strip,
所以它应该是充满活力和乐趣的。 so it was supposed to be energetic and fun.
事情就是这样。 It is what it is.
坐好，享受交通。 Just sit back and enjoy being transported.
如果你在生活中遇到任何风暴， If you're faced with any storm in your life,
你就去找法什·戈登吧。 you just call upon Flash Gordon.
它是永恒的。 It's timeless.
是啊! Yeah!
如果你是20世纪80年代的孩子， If you were a kid coming of age in the 1980s,
你担心核战争会爆发。 you were worried that nuclear war would start.
20世纪80年代，我们正处于冷战的高峰期。 We were at the height of the Cold War in the 1980s.
对核技术能做什么的高度理解 The height of an understanding of what nuclear technology could do
以及它可能带来的破坏。 and its potential for devastation.
我记得小时候，我们住在一个空军基地附近。 I remember as a child, we lived near an air force base.
四响意味着躲到桌子下面去。 Four bells meant get under the desk.
——鸭子!-蹲下掩护。 - Duck! - Duck and cover.
-蹲下掩护。蹲下，掩护自己。-蹲下掩护。 - Duck and cover. Duck and cover yourselves. - Duck and cover.
他们告诉你这将使你免受核攻击。 And they're telling you that's going to save you from a nuclear attack.
蹲下掩护。干得好,托尼。 Duck and cover. Attaboy, Tony.
闪光的意思是:行动要快。 That flash means: act fast.
这是已知的，必然会发生。 This was a given, this was going to happen.
当然，我们都做过噩梦，我做过非常逼真的噩梦。 So, of course, we all had nightmares, I had very vivid ones.
超级大国每隔一周就会出现在新闻中， Superpowers were going head to head every other week in the news,
我们带着巨大的忧虑进入了80年代。 and we entered the '80s with enormous apprehension.
如果苏联受到攻击，我们将用我们所有的核力量予以回击。 If the Soviet Union is attacked, we will answer with all our nuclear might.
当时的科幻电影， What science fiction films did at that time,
我认为他给了我们一个出口，一个宣泄， I think was gave us an outlet, a catharsis,
通过推断潜在的破坏。 by extrapolating the potential for devastation.
当里根在美国，撒切尔在英国的时候， By the time you had Reagan in the US, and Thatcher in the UK,
还有后一时期的苏联领导 and you had sort of the latter era Soviet leadership,
大量的西方例外论侵入了所有的艺术。 there was enormous Western exceptionalism that invaded all of the art.
所以这并不奇怪 So it wasn't surprising that
观众逃跑是一种处理恐惧和想法的方式 the audiences escaped as a means of processing fears and ideas
关于地缘政治局势，还有国内的政治局势， about the geopolitical situation, but also the political situation at home,
这也不是很好。 which wasn't great either.
我在20世纪80年代的大部分时间里都在空军。 I was in the air force for most of the 1980s.
我曾在北达科他州的一个核发射井驻扎过一段时间。 I was stationed in a nuclear silo in North Dakota for a portion of time.
这些担忧是显而易见的。 These fears were palpable.
所以当我们去看《战争游戏》、《Firefox》等电影时， So when we went to see movies like WarGames, Firefox,
这些电影试图表现得真实、投机 these films tried to be as realistic, speculative
但越现实越好。 but as realistic as possible.
我在和那个偷了苏联财产的人说话 I'm speaking to the individual who has stolen the property of the U.S.S.R.
我们得到了皇家待遇。 We're getting the royal treatment.
所以无论你谈论的是像《超人4》这样的电影， So whether you're talking about a movie like Superman IV,
邦德电影，或者像《怪异科学》这样的电影，里面有一枚核导弹 a Bond movie, or a movie like Weird Science where a nuclear missile
穿过卧室的地板，冷战就在电影里。 comes up through the floor in the bedroom, the Cold War is right there in the film.
当我们看到这些电影时，我们不必如此害怕 When we saw these movies, we didn't have to be so scared
我们可以让别人来处理这个问题。 we could let somebody else handle the problem.
狼獾! Wolverines!
这才是真正驱使詹姆斯·卡梅隆的东西 That's something that really drove James Cameron
作为电影人，核战争，他所有的电影里都有这个想法。 as a filmmaker, nuclear war, and that whole idea is in all his films.
这是天网和终结者的背景。 It's a background to Skynet and The Terminator.
在《异形》里就有。 It's there in Aliens.
我建议我们从轨道上发射核弹摧毁整个基地。 I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.
这是卡梅隆电影的主题，蘑菇云。 And it's a motif in Cameron films, the mushroom clouds.
到了《终结者2》，你会看到令人震惊的梦境。 And by Terminator 2, you get that shocking dream sequence.
那一刻，你的表情真的很明显。 And it really was in your face by that point.
这不再是一个比喻了。詹姆斯·卡梅隆真的在说， It wasn't a metaphor anymore. It really was James Cameron going,
“这就是未来的样子，各位。” "This is what it's going to be like, people."
如果袭击发生，你知道你的家人会怎么做吗? Do you know exactly what your family would do if an attack came?
另一方面，你会看到寓言，比如英国制作的《线头》 On the other side of it, you got parables like Threads, which was made in Britain
如果真的发生核攻击会发生什么。 about what happens if a nuclear attack actually went off.
真正的威胁 The real threat
核大决战的可能性从未遥远过 of nuclear Armageddon was never very far away,
所以当《后天》上映时 so when The Day After comes out, it took
对我来说存在的恐惧给了我视觉上的感受。 what was an existential fear for me and it gave it visuals.
它不会很漂亮，不会很快， It won't be pretty, it won't be fast,
我是说，那些幸运的人，会直接死掉。 I mean, the lucky ones, will die outright.
网络电视上从来没有这样的节目。 Nothing on network television like this had ever been shown.
如果发生核战争， If you have a nuclear war,
天气好的时候就会是这个样子。 this is what it's going to be like on a good day.
《后天》是一个巨大的电视现象。 The Day After was a huge television phenomenon.
这表明你可以写更黑暗的故事。 It showed that you could do the darker story.
看着很痛苦，因为辐射 It was painful to watch because the radiation
肯定会找到我们，在某个时刻杀死我们。 was definitely going to get to us and kill us at some point.
《后天》是有史以来收视率最高的电视电影。 The Day After is the most watched movie made for television ever.
1亿人在一个晚上观看了它，所以我非常震惊。 100 million people watched it in one night, so I was quite stunned.
但有一个人的想法一夜之间就改变了， But there was one person's mind who was changed overnight,
碰巧是美国总统罗纳德·里根 and that happened to be the president of the United States, Ronald Reagan,
谁是相信权力的呢 who had come to power believing
有一场可以打赢的核战争。 that there was such a thing as a winnable nuclear war.
我在撒切尔时代的伦敦度过了80年代。 I spent the '80s in Thatcher's London.
我很想让里根下台。 I was very interested in getting Reagan out of office.
我害怕这些 My fear of what these
政客们能做的，我无法控制的人民。 politicians can do, the people that I cannot control.
我把我的精力集中在我能在这个世界上做的事情上。 I focus my energies on what I can do in my own little corner of the world.
我们一直在生活 We've been living
二战后的冷战， with the Cold War since World War II,
几代人都生活在这种威胁下，我不认为有一代人 generations have lived under that threat, and I don't think one generation
比其他人更能抵御这种威胁 is any more immune to that threat than another.
今天，你知道，我们担心的是非常缓慢的世界尽头 Today, you know, we're worried about the very slow end of the world
比如环境问题或者恐怖主义行为。 from, you know, environmental things or terrorist acts.
我觉得自从我们发明了炸弹，世界就变了。 I think ever since we created the bomb, the world has been different.
人们只是在通灵 People were just channeling
他们的信仰，他们的恐惧或噩梦场景融入这些故事。 their beliefs, their fears or nightmare scenarios into these stories.
现在我们所处的时代，在现代社会，一切都是关于 And now we're at an age where in the modern day, it's all about
缺乏隐私以及互联网和机器将如何接管一切。 lack of privacy and how the internet and the machines are going to take over.
我们将变得没有人性，我们将成为机器的奴隶。 And we're going to become dehumanized to the point where we're just slaves to the machines.
这是一个有趣的循环。 It's an interesting cycle to have walked through.
在80年代，有好几个 In the '80s, there were several
收缩电影，我想这似乎变得有趣了。 shrinking movies, which I guess somehow that became funny.
亲爱的，我缩小了孩子，不可思议的缩小女人和内心空间。 Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, The Incredible Shrinking Woman and Innerspace.
他们都很好。 And they were all good.
现在，为这位小女士鼓掌怎么样? Now, how about a big hand for a little lady?
不可思议的萎缩女人。 The Incredible Shrinking Woman.
这是对那本书的改编 It's a take on the book
不可思议的收缩人。 Incredible Shrinking Man.
今天的头条新闻仍然是不可思议的萎缩女人。 The top news story of the day continues to be the Incredible Shrinking Woman.
我相信一定有合理的解释。 I'm sure there must be some logical explanation.
这是对广告的讽刺。 It's a satire on advertising.
星系胶水。星系胶水。 Galaxy Glue. Galaxy Glue.
她是一个娇小的家庭主妇，她必须处理所有这些产品向她袭来。 She's a tiny housewife, and she has to deal with all these products coming at her.
胶水，溶剂，你的泡泡浴。 The glue, the solvent, your bubble bath.
爽身粉、洗发水…… Talcum powder, shampoo...
他在取笑这些产品 He was making fun of these products
像这样喂它们会让你的生活更美好。 that are fed to them like this is going to make your life better.
它被称为 It's called
托盘自然。 Tray Naturale.
妇女运动开始时，她们开始， And what started to happen with the women's movement is they were going,
“我不想让我在家里的生活好那么多。 "I don't want to make my life at home better that much.
“我想离开这里。 "I want to be out of here.
“做饭或洗衣服并不是全部 "Making dinner or doing the laundry is not all
“我想做。” "I want to do."
朱蒂丝，我觉得这不是个好主意。 Judith, I don't think this is such a good idea.
莉莉·汤姆林，她很完美，因为她是喜剧演员 Lily Tomlin, she's perfect because she's a comedian
她能体现这种疯狂。她有一个疯狂的范围。 and she can embody the craziness of that. She has this insane range.
你最好别再扣扣子了，巴斯特。 And you better lay off of buttons, Buster.
我在里面待的时间很短。 I'm in it for like a very short amount of time.
我在做肥皂广告，但他们剪掉了。 I'm advertising soap, but they cut it.
莉莉躲在芭比梦幻屋的时候，感觉太棒了 When Lily hid in the Barbie Dream House, it's so great
因为洋娃娃的大小是女孩们童年时代的标志。 because that's an iconic thing from girls childhood to be the size of your dolls.
这都是无关紧要的。 It's all about the insignificance.
从家具上下来! Off the furniture!
你笑什么呢，你个大变态? And what are you grinning at, you big creep?
那些娃娃，如果他们比你大，真人大小， The dolls, if they were bigger than you, life size,
他们会很可怕。 they would be terrifying.
莉莉变小了 Lily gets smaller
更小，然后掉到垃圾处理机里， and smaller, and then falls into the garbage disposal,
首先，这是每个人的噩梦，就像你掉东西一样 which is, first of all, everyone's nightmare, like when you drop something
你必须把手伸进去，把它拿出来。 to the garbage disposal and you have to reach in, and take it out.
就像一种内在的恐惧。 There's like a built-in terror.
这才是最重要的 That's the big, actual
她已经不再是一个重要因素了。 visual point that she's not a factor anymore.
她只是在做她的工作，作为一个人，她变得越来越小。 She's just doing her job and she's becoming smaller and smaller as a person.
我要疯了! I'm going to lose my mind!
这是一场女性开始感受到的战争 And it's the war that women then started to feel like
这不是我的生活，我也不想要这样的生活。 this isn't my life, I don't want this to be my life.
我讨厌产品!我讨厌广告! I'm sick of products! I'm sick of advertising!
你在说我的工作! You're talking about my work!
我喜欢有这种主题的东西。 See, I love things that have themes like that.
更多的香槟吗? More champagne?
万斯，看看你干了什么! Vance, look what you did!
外域。最终的敌人仍然是人类。 Outland. The ultimate enemy is still man.
80年代早期科幻小说中被低估的经典。 An underrated classic from early '80s science fiction.
肖恩·康纳利饰演一名联邦法警，他被派往这片死水之地 Sean Connery plays a federal marshal who was sent to this backwater
在木星卫星上的一个采矿殖民地 mining colony on a moon of Jupiter.
他发现了一个毒品交易，毒品在那里被使用 He discovers a drug operation where the drugs that are being used
由矿工出售给矿工，让他们提高生产力 by the miners and sold to the miners to make them boost their productivity
就是杀死他们。 is actually killing them.
把它弄下来! Get it off!
我非常想拍一部西部片。 I was desperate to make a Western.
当然，在乔治·卢卡斯等人发现，等一下， Certainly after people like George Lucas figured out, wait a second,
西部片没有死，它是活的，它在外太空，所以我模仿了它 the Western is not dead, it's alive, it's in outer space, so I modeled it
在道奇城之后，它的边界，它的严酷和危险 after Dodge City, the frontier aspect of it, the harshness and the danger
还有贪婪，还有如果你走出去，你就会死的事实。 and the greed, and the fact that if you just stepped outside, you died.
这是一个完全可以想象的未来，我们真的走出去，我们真的 That's a completely conceivable future where we actually go out and we actually
挖小行星，挖行星之类的。它是一个公司实体。 mine asteroids and mine planets and stuff. And it's a corporate entity.
我们正在成为领先的联合企业。 We're on our way to becoming the leading Con Amalgamate operation.
在座的各位都拿到了奖金支票证明了这一点。 And everyone in this room has received the bonus checks to prove it.
这是对经济失控的社会评论 It's a social commentary about out-of-control economies
以及失控的企业人士。 and out-of-control corporate people.
我们都是专业人士。 We are all professionals.
我相信我们会的。 I'm sure we are.
我在环球的时候第一次写的。 I first wrote it when I was at Universal.
我记得内德·塔宁看过剧本说， I remember Ned Tanen read the script and said,
“我喜欢，如果伊斯特伍德愿意拍，我们就拍。” "I like it, we'll make it if Eastwood will do it."
我说，“好吧，如果伊斯特伍德愿意的话，你可以做电话簿。” And I said, "Well, you'll make the phone book if Eastwood will do it."
肖恩·康纳利将…… Sean Connery will...
不管他演什么，他都会带着康纳利来。 He'll bring Connery to whatever he plays.
对任何事情都不自负 Zero ego about anything to do
他和他对如何拍好电影的自负。 with him and total ego about how to make the movie good.
所以你和他的每一次讨论都是关于如何让剧本变得更好。 So every discussion you had with him was how to make the script better.
如何让电影变得更好。 How to make the movie better.
他是个了不起的人。 He was a remarkable guy.
有一整台机器在运转， There's a whole machine that works,
因为每个人都在做自己该做的事。 because everybody does what they're supposed to.
我确实写了一句，我说，我等不及他说出来了。 I did write one line where I said, I can't wait for him to say it.
这是一场大追逐的结尾。 And it's at the end of a very big chase.
他把一个人困在厨房里了 He's got a guy cornered in the kitchen
然后他用枪朝那人开枪。 and then he fires his gun all around the guy.
仔细想想。 Think it over.
对他来说就像黄油一样。 It's like butter with him.
当他们挖出更多的石油时，公司很高兴。 When they dig more oil, the company's happy.
公司高兴，我也高兴。 When the company's happy, I'm happy.
我第一次认识彼得·博伊尔是看了一部叫《乔》的电影。 I first knew Peter Boyle from seeing a movie called Joe.
所以我写的第一部电影，我就认识了彼得 So the first film that I ever wrote, I got to know Peter
觉得他很棒。我需要一个有勇气的人。 and thought he was terrific. And I needed somebody with some grit.
如果你想要钱，那你比看起来要聪明。 If you're looking for money, you're smarter than you look.
如果你不是，那你就蠢多了。 If you're not, you're a lot dumber.
弗朗西斯Sternhagen。 Frances Sternhagen.
你好。 Hello.
是毒品的问题。 It's the drug.
你刚中了奖。 You just won a prize.
这个角色最初是为一个男人写的。 The part originally was written for a man.
我说，我想选一个女人，不做任何改变 I said, I want to cast a woman and make no change
在剧本里。 in the script.
这里几乎所有人都不是两手都在划桨， Almost everybody here doesn't have both oars in the water,
就我而言。 as far as I'm concerned.
她说的每句话都有点不一样，她说的每句话都是她的方式。 Everything she said was a little different, everything she said was her way.
这堆东西好久没有这么激动人心了。 There hasn't been so much excitement in this heap for some time.
说到外域 When it came to Outland,
矿业联合企业的想法在我看来是可行的。 the idea of a mining conglomerate seemed feasible to me.
我想让你看到环境的敌意 I wanted you to see the kind of hostility of the environment
谁会去做这件事。 and who are the people who would be doing it.
他们为什么要这么做。 And why would they be doing it.
我从来没得过奥斯卡奖，除了我想要的东西 I never won an Oscar, except one of the things that I wanted
最重要的是拍一部会被《疯狂杂志》模仿的电影。 more than anything else was to do a film that would be parodied in Mad Magazine.
他们在《疯狂杂志》上拍了《外域》。 And they did Outland in Mad Magazine.
我很激动，这是我能得到的最高赞扬。 I was thrilled, to me the highest compliment I could be paid.
你我都知道，当有人说谁是最棒的超人时， You and I know that when anybody says which is the best Superman,
他们说二。 they say II.
你还没看到最精彩的部分。 You haven't seen the best part.
超人2。冒险继续。 Superman II. The Adventure Continues.
《超人2》仍然是关于真理、正义和美国方式的。 Superman II remains about truth, justice and the American way.
这是毫无疑问的。 There is no doubt about that.
这部电影还讲述了反派们的回归，或许还有超人， It is also about the villains coming back and maybe getting Superman,
这是最棒的部分。 and that's the best part.
超人! Superman!
毫无疑问，克里斯托弗·里夫 There is no question about the fact that Christopher Reeve
是超人的化身，我只是觉得他很了不起。 embodied Superman, I just think he was extraordinary.
我想这是你的楼层。 I believe this is your floor.
他有点傻。 He was a little dorky.
他更像克拉克·肯特而不是超人。 He was more like Clark Kent than Superman.
特伦斯·斯坦普仍然是地球上最性感的男人。 Terence Stamp remains the sexiest man on earth.
跪在佐德面前。 Kneel before Zod.
杰克看起来像杰克， Jack looked like Jack,
我还得补充一句。 all the time, I hasten to add.
我们以某种方式移动 We moved a certain way
我们移动得很流畅。 and we moved with a fluidity.
三个坏蛋飞来飞去，他们找到了脚印 Three villains flying along, they'd got the tracks
在屋顶上，就像铁轨一样。 up in the roof like railway tracks up there.
有人还没搞清楚当你转弯的时候， Somebody hadn't quite worked out that when you go round a corner,
动量使你摆动。 the momentum swings you out.
所以我们三个开始都很顺利， So the three of us start off very well,
然后我们拐过一个弯，然后我们缠在一起，在那里吊死。 then we go round a corner and then we all get tangled up together and there we hang.
踏上月球， Stepping on the moon,
这是最不寻常的一套。 it was the most extraordinary set.
你是什么生物? What kind of a creature are you?
只是一个人。 Just a man.
一个男人吗? A man?
你知道我踢宇航员腹股沟的那场戏吗? Do you know that scene where I kick the astronaut in the groin?
当我去日本宣传这部电影时， When I went to Japan to promote the film,
他们剪掉了那场戏，因为它太暴力了。 they cut that scene because it was too violent.
一个女人那样踢一个男人是不对的，对吧? A woman kicking a man like that just doesn't do, does it?
玛格特·基德在给我剪头发的时候和我有过接触 Margot Kidder absolutely made contact when she had to clip me
因为我们试了几次，感觉不太真实。 because we tried it a few times and it just didn't look too real.
你真让人讨厌! You're a real pain in the neck!
她太让我感动了，我都快崩溃了。 She got me so much that I went over the edge.
就像，“有机会了， It's like, "Got the shot,
“继续，非常感谢。” "moving on, thank you very much."
我们没有被消灭，我们只是消失了，如果你愿意这么说的话。 We weren't killed off, we just disappeared, if you like.
为了能够回来。 To be able to come back.
对此肯定有猜测。 There was definitely speculation about that.
超人1号和2号，我们背对背拍了他们。 Superman I and II, we shot them back to back.
理查德·唐纳，我们都崇拜他。 With Richard Donner, who we all adored.
我们休息了一下，因为我们拍了太多《超人2》， We took a break because at a certain point we'd shot so much of Superman II,
他们需要专注于《超人1》 they needed to concentrate on Superman I.
当然了。 Of course they did.
我真的回到了片场，是理查德·莱斯特。 I literally got back on the set and it was Richard Lester.
重新拍摄相同的镜头 To re-shoot the same sequence
和两个截然不同的导演合作是我人生中最棒的经历。 with two incredibly different directors was the best experience of my life.
因此,当 Consequently, when
卖超人2的人是我。 it came to selling Superman II, it was me.
华纳兄弟对我进行了测试，看我能不能胜任 Warner Brothers put me through my paces to see if I could
谈论这部电影时不要泄露秘密。 talk about the film without spilling the beans.
他们换了导演 The fact that they changed directors
只是我们在电影的营销过程中从未提及。 was just something we never talked about in the marketing of the film.
那是一个更天真的时期，人们没有 That was a more naive period where people weren't
所以电影制作的所有细微差别。 so into all the nuances of film-making.
刚开始的时候，一切都很奇妙，很辉煌，我们都很爱彼此。 At the beginning, it was marvelous and glorious, and we all loved each other.
到最后，只是我们都受够了，我想。 By the end, it was just we'd all had enough, I think.
我经常想到它的严重性 I often think of the enormity
当然是超人的影响。 of certainly the impact of Superman.
每个人都看过超人。在世界各地， Everybody has seen Superman. Around the world,
不管是在电视上，不管是什么，都是爱的盛宴。 whether it be on television, whatever it is, it's a love fest.
在我们生活在反乌托邦的现实中之前， Before we lived in a dystopian reality,
我真的很喜欢反乌托邦的科幻小说。 I really enjoyed dystopian science fiction.
约翰·卡朋特的《纽约大逃亡》。 John Carpenter's Escape From New York.
最伟大的逃亡将会让未来分崩离析。 The greatest escape of them all is about to blow the future apart.
逃离纽约 Escape From New York
其实是约翰·卡朋特电影学院毕业后的第一个剧本。 actually started as John Carpenter's first screenplay out of film school.
在他完成了一些作品后，Studio真的很想和他合作 After he had done a few, Studio really wanted to work with him
他说，基本上，你得到了什么? and said, basically, what do you got?
然后他去了壁橱，拿出了剧本。 And he went to the closet, brought out the script.
他们喜欢这个主意。 They loved the idea.
他打电话给我。 He called me.
他说:“我真的需要另一种思维 He said, "I really need another mind
"来帮我度过难关，理清头绪" "here to help me get through this and make sense of it."
所以我认为这是一次有价值的合作。 So I think it was a valuable collaboration.
你进去，找到总统，24小时内把他带出来， You go in, find the President, bring him out in 24 hours,
你是一个自由的人。 and you're a free man.
24小时? 24 hours, huh?
《纽约大逃亡》是我当时拍的最伟大的电影。 Escape From New York was the biggest movie I'd made up to that time.
基本上是同样的工作人员和一些同样的演员 It was basically the same crew and some of the same cast
和我一起工作过，所以做起来很有趣。 I'd worked with before, so it was fun to do.
使一切都保持轻松是一件很辛苦的工作 It was hard work trying to keep everything light
如果可以的话。 if we can.
就像一个大家庭 It was like a huge family
与他个人和职业上都喜欢的演员合作。 working with actors that he loves both personally and professionally.
他知道他可以从他们那里得到他想要的表演。 He knows that he can get the performance out of them that he wants.
他们有更多的乐趣工作 And they have much more fun working
如果你，你知道，一切都很平静，我们开始。 if you're, you know, everything is calm, and here we go.
圣路易斯，那是拍摄的开始。 St. Louis, which was the beginning of the shoot.
他们拍摄了很多外部材料。当时在圣路易斯 They shot much of the exterior material. St. Louis at the time
看起来就像启示录后的美国。 looked like post-apocalyptic, you know, United States.
你不需要做太多的装饰。 You didn't have to do a lot of window dressing.
在纽约除了在自由岛上什么都没做。 Nothing was done in New York other than being on Liberty Island.
库尔特从小就是迪士尼的孩子， Kurt was always known and grew up as a Disney kid,
但约翰能看到人的潜力。 but John can see into what the potential is in people.
我们演猫王的时候我就认出了科特。 I recognized Kurt early on when we did Elvis.
这家伙能行。 This guy's got it.
他真的很厉害。 He really has it.
只是了解科特，你懂的 Just knowing Kurt, you know
他有可能做一些更黑暗，更肉体的事。 he has the potential for doing something that's a little darker and physical.
喜欢麦琪这个角色。 Love the character of Maggie.
小鸡，你知道的， Balls out chick, you know,
我习惯了扮演这种角色。 and I was used to playing that kind of role.
你是王Plissken ?我听说你死了。 You're Plissken? I heard you were dead.
我认为她的整个道德品质 I think her entire moral character
在最后一场戏中，她到达了哪里 is exhibited in the last scene, where she reaches
她伸手去抢枪，朝公爵开了枪。 out her hand to snake for the gun and she fires at the Duke.
这就说明了她的一切。 That just said everything to me about her.
逃离纽约 Escape From New York
事实上，它的哲学倾向是它是一部虚无主义电影。 really, its philosophical bent was it was a nihilist film.
它有一个虚无主义的人物，一个虚无主义的结局， It had a nihilist character it had a nihilist ending,
但它也是以一种开玩笑的方式完成的。 but it was also done in a way that was tongue in cheek.
我们将朝着这个方向发展，并从中获得乐趣。 We're going to go far in this direction and have fun with it.
看完这部电影不要自杀。 Don't kill yourself after you see this film.
你现在要杀我吗，Snake? You're going to kill me now, Snake?
我太累了。 I'm too tired.
可能过几天吧。 Maybe later.
如果你想知道谁会在Snake Plissken之间的战斗中获胜， If you want to know who would win a fight between Snake Plissken,
Jack Burton或者RJ MacReady, Snake Plissken会赢得这场战斗 Jack Burton or RJ MacReady, Snake Plissken would win the fight
手下来。 hands down.
他是个坏蛋，这就是原因。 He's a bad ass, that's why.
一个充满魔力的宇宙。 A universe of magic.
重金属。 Heavy Metal.
电影《重金属》对14岁的我来说是一次非常有趣的经历。 Heavy Metal, the movie, was a very interesting experience for young, 14 year old me.
看过那部电影后，我的世界观改变了。 Yeah, my worldview shifted after watching that film.
我是这本杂志的粉丝， I was a fan of the magazine,
喜欢艺术，喜欢讲故事。 a fan of the art, fan of the storytelling.
它很自然地迎合了我的兴趣。 It played into my interests in a very natural way.
我说:“把它拍成动画电影一定很棒。” I said, "It would be great as an animated film."
我的力量还在继续。 My powers continue.
它向你展示了动画、科幻以及更复杂的想法的可能性。 It showed you the possibility of animation and sci fi and more sophisticated ideas.
很美，但也很有颠覆性 Beautiful, but it's also really subversive
和主流。 and counter-cultural.
我说了，我是美国公民。我只是把证件弄丢了。 I told you, I'm an American citizen. I just lost my papers or something.
该死的合法外国人。 Goddamn legal aliens.
素材，重金属的故事 The source material, the Heavy Metal stories
它们本身就具有某种程度的显性 really in themselves had a kind of level of explicitness
我认为这对艺术家来说是自由的。 that was freeing, I think, for the artists.
我觉得这很有趣 I saw that as something that was quite fun
又美味可口。 and delicious.
我怕有一天回家发现你在摆弄烤面包机。 I'm afraid that I'll come home one day and find you screwing the toaster.
你只要相信我就行。 You'll just have to trust me.
杰拉德·波特顿是加拿大非常优秀的动画导演。 Gerald Potterton was a really fine animation director in Canada.
我把他当成了一个 I sort of enlisted him as kind of a
中央电影制作组讲述了这个故事。 central film-making group to tell this story.
Len Blum和Dan Goldberg Len Blum and Dan Goldberg
我和他一起做过肉丸子 who I had worked with on Meatballs,
他们想出了那种来自外太空的神奇的致命绿球 they came up with that sort of magical sort of deadly green ball from outer space
作为一种把故事联系起来的方式。 as a way of sort of linking the stories together.
总有人能找到我。 Someone always finds me.
《重金属》中我最喜欢的场景是Den。 My favorite sequence in Heavy Metal is Den.
我能割开他的喉咙吗，陛下? Can I slit his throat, your majesty?
是的。 Yes.
我喜欢重金属杂志。 I liked the Heavy Metal magazine.
这实际上是对那种氛围的熟练再现。 It's an actually an adept recreation of that vibe.
如果我拒绝呢? And if I refuse?
如果你拒绝，你就会死。她死了。每个人都死了。 If you refuse, you die. She dies. Everybody dies.
听起来很合理。 Sounded reasonable to me.
那架B-17轰炸机和僵尸一起坠毁在岛上， The B-17 bomber that crashes on the island with the zombies,
这可能是我最喜欢的电影片段了。 that's probably my favorite individual vignette from the film.
一落千丈! Nose dive!
两位太空飞行员 The two space pilots
用太空可卡因嗨起来也很有趣。 that get high on the space cocaine is also a funny one.
Taarna, Taarna,
作为莫比乌斯的超级粉丝，我想给他应有的尊重。 as a huge Moebius fan, I wanted to sort of give him all due respect.
也许她想打架。 Maybe she wants to fight.
我要她死!! I want her dead!!!
我对《重金属》的印象是那部电影里的音乐。 What I remember about Heavy Metal is the music in that film.
所有在电影里有一首歌的乐队， All of the bands that have a song in that film,
这些年来，我无数次地播放这首歌。 I have cranked that soundtrack so many times over the years.
我用坏了好多盒式磁带。 I wore out so many cassette tapes.
是的，马斯克很好地说明了未来 Yeah, the future is now pretty well illustrated by Musk
把一辆特斯拉送入太空，就像《重金属》电影的开场一样。 sticking a Tesla into space, like the opening of the Heavy Metal movie.
我希望我们能以更完整的方式完成它，我是说， I wish we could have finished it in a slightly more complete way, I mean,
我们在时间表和预算的压力下工作， we were working under the gun in terms of timetable, in terms of budget,
但我还是被它的效果所折服。 but I'm still quite taken by how still effective it was.
我觉得我们真的走在了前面 I think we were just really ahead of the curve
在各种各样的方面。 in all sorts of ways.
好吧,笨蛋。把你的现金交出来! Okay, sucker. Hand over your cash!
现在! Now!
这是判断一部电影是成功还是失败的一种方式 One of the ways you can say whether a film has succeeded or failed
你能想象这些角色的生活吗 is can you imagine a life for the characters
而电影本身超越了你所看到的框架。 and the movie itself beyond the frame you've seen.
在80年代的科幻小说中，构建世界变得非常重要。 World building became enormously important during '80s science fiction.
所以你有概念设计和产品设计。 So you have concept design and production design.
你必须去建造内部，建造这种行星 You have to go and build interiors, build these kind of planets
在片场工作，创造工作地点。 physically on sets, and creating locations that work.
你有围绕的概念设计 You have concept designed around
道具和想象中的未来科技。 props and imagined future technology.
现在的想法外推，这个东西，当然是服装， Present day ideas extrapolated, and this thing goes on into, of course, costume,
宇宙飞船在未来是如何移动和旅行的。 how do spaceships move and travel in the future.
这是自然进化 It's the natural evolution
一个讲故事的人会超越那些激励他们的东西， of a storyteller to think beyond the things that inspire them,
想象着进一步发展的可能性。 imagining the possibilities of taking it to the next step.
对于斯皮尔伯格这样的导演来说 For directors like Spielberg
卡梅隆和雷德利·斯科特，这几乎成了一个挑战 and Cameron and Ridley Scott, this became almost a challenge
用不同的方式描绘出一幅准确的未来图景。 to create an accurate picture of the future in different ways.
让你知道，一部直白的电影与众不同。 Make you know, a straightforward film extraordinary.
东西的存在。 Something's there.
我喜欢所有这些科幻电影中存在的世界， I love the worlds that existed in all of these science fiction movies,
我想尽我所能去探索它们。 and I wanted to explore them as fully as I could.
处理这样的照片非常令人满意 Very satisfying to work on pictures like that
你给电影观众带来了整个宇宙的生命。 where you bring a whole universe to life for a film audience.
通常当我被录用时， Usually when I'm hired,
除了主管，没有人被雇佣， nobody else is hired except for the director,
我们开始讨论剧本，我聘请了插图师和故事板艺术家。 and we start discussing the script and I hire illustrators and storyboard artists.
我们开始为这张照片设计造型， We start to develop a look for the picture,
这很重要，因为他现在能看到自己的幻象了 which is very important because he can see his vision now
他们开始看到这幅画和工作室， of what this picture is and the studio, they start to see,
“哇，这就是我们的1亿美元的去向。 "Wow, this is where our 100 million dollars is going to go.
“我们将拥有它。”他们很兴奋。 "We're going to have that". And they get excited.
当然，这在科幻小说中是非常重要的 Something that is, of course, hugely important in science fiction
因为它不存在于我们周围的任何地方，就是视觉 because it doesn't exist anywhere around us, are the visual
设计师，就是那些决定建筑和景观的人 designers, the guys that decide, what the buildings, what the landscape
应该看起来像，物体，宇宙飞船，生物。 should look like, the objects, the spaceships, the creatures.
都是选择。 It's all choices.
希德·米德，罗恩·科布，拉尔夫·麦夸里，这些科幻小说里的幻想家， Syd Mead, Ron Cobb, Ralph McQuarrie, just the visionaries of science fiction,
他们想出了那么多标志性的东西。 and they have dreamt up so many iconic things.
它们在给很多人带来生机方面起到了很大的作用 They're quite instrumental in bringing life to a lot of
屏幕上发生了什么。 what goes on on the screen.
在科幻小说里，有很多东西 In science fiction, a lot of the things
你将看到的是视觉效果，那些东西没有 that you're going to see are visual effects, those things don't
存在于现实中，你知道，曲速引擎和旋转器。 exist in reality, you know, warp drives and Spinners.
所以我们必须发明现实中不存在的声音。 So we have to invent sounds that don't exist in reality.
我的工作是确保你能听到你所看到的一切。 My job is to ensure that you hear everything that you do see.
你看到了吗?! Did you see that?!
它确实是 It's really
下面的声音从地板上传出来 the sound underneath it coming up out of the floor
把你彻底震撼了。 and shaking you to your core.
这些都包含在我称之为宇宙建设的术语中。 That's all encompassed in this term I call universe building.
我需要创造一个我们习以为常的声音宇宙， I need to create the sonic universe that we take for granted,
当你去看电影的时候，你会觉得你好像 such that when you go to the cinema, you feel as though you're
在一个可信的环境中，即使是在一个难以置信的背景下。 in a believable environment, even if it's in an unbelievable context.
《星球大战》的天才之处在于它充满了角色 The genius of Star Wars, is it just imbued character
融入万物，融入行星，融入城市，融入人物， into everything, into its planets, into cities, into its characters,
显然，《星球大战》所触及的一切都与角色和感觉有关。 obviously, nothing Star Wars touched didn't involve character and feel.
猎鹰号是电影中所有伟大宇宙飞船的核心， So the Falcon, which is the heart of all great movie spaceships,
成为汉·索罗的延伸 became an extension of Han Solo.
她可能看起来不怎么样，但她会在关键时刻挺身而出，孩子。 She may not look like much, but she's go it where it counts, kid.
我自己也做了很多特别的修改。 I've made a lot of special modifications myself.
然后是完全相反的情况 And then you have the complete opposite
以《疯狂的麦克斯》这样的电影结尾 end with films like Mad Max
他们的宇宙飞船是一种运载工具。 and their version of spacecraft is a vehicle.
武器。 Weapons.
《星球大战》中最经典的是爆能枪对光剑， The classic ones in Star Wars are the blaster versus the lightsaber,
光剑代表着旧秩序，一种优雅 the lightsaber represents the old order, a kind of grace
从过去。 from the past.
优雅的武器 An elegant weapon
为了更文明的时代。 for a more civilized age.
然后是詹姆斯·卡梅隆， Then you have James Cameron,
他讲的是武器的物质性。 you know, he's about the physicality of armament.
你去看《星际迷航》之类的电影。 And you go to something like Star Trek.
这是一个更干净的世界，所有的制服都有编码 It's a cleaner universe, and all the uniforms are kind of coded
根据等级，所以更多的是关于 by rank, so it's much more about
军事组织:军事组织 a military organization.
当然，服装是科幻小说的重要组成部分。 Costumes, of course, are a great ingredient of science fiction.
我是说，他们给服装设计师想象的机会 I mean, the opportunity they give to costume designers to imagine
不可能的事，是发挥创造力的绝佳机会。 the impossible, a wonderful opportunity to be creative.
我们所有人所做的工作都不是最终结果。都不是。 None of the work that any of us do is the end result. None of it.
这都是一个过程的一部分 It all is part of a process
我们都是同舟共济的。 and we're all in this together.
这些杰出的电影人给我们带来了令人惊叹的作品， These brilliant filmmakers give us amazing, astonishing work,
但我们的大脑会建立比它们可能做的更多的东西， but our brains will build much more than they can possibly do,
这是他们应该做的。 and that's what they should be doing.
他们就像在触控纸上点燃一根火柴，然后说，好了，你走吧。 They're kind of lighting a match to a touch paper and going, okay, off you go.
你知道，想象这个世界的其他元素。 You know, dream up the other elements of this world.
你们自己想象一下这些行星是什么样子。 Imagine for yourselves what these planets are like.
它们会一直伴随着你。 They are the things that stay with you.
门的另一边发生了什么? What's going on on the other side of the door?
如果你是个电影迷，不明白1982年的意义， If you're a movie geek and you don't understand the significance of 1982,
你得把你的电影书呆子卡片交上来。 you have to turn in your movie nerd card.
后启示录流派 The post-apocalyptic genre
基本上是由《疯狂的麦克斯》系列电影定义的。 is pretty much defined by the Mad Max movies.
公路勇士。 The Road Warrior.
这是一种更残酷、更酷的科幻小说， A kind of harsher, cooler vision of science fiction,
就像一部西部片。贫瘠的世界，汽油 it's like a western. Barren world where petrol
是唯一的商品。 is the only commodity.
走开吧。把你的泵给我， Just walk away. Give me your pump,
石油，汽油，还有整个化合物。 the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound.
为了生存，他们做了必须做的事。 They did what they needed to do to survive.
他们拍摄的是一种名为“剥削型”的电影类型。 They were working in a genre of picture called The Exploitation Picture.
这就是他们的资金来源。 That's how they got funded.
动作，冒险，汽车爆炸，暴力， Action, adventure, exploding cars, violence,
混乱和低预算似乎是一个挑战，而不是障碍。 mayhem and the low budget seemed to be a challenge rather than an obstacle.
我真的被这种自我引导式的讲故事的方式所吸引。 I am really attracted to that sort of bootstrapping kind of storytelling.
好狗。漂亮的狗。 Good dog. Nice doggy.
乔治·米勒是个了不起的导演。 George Miller is an amazing director.
乔治建立了一个宇宙，一个反乌托邦的未来 George had built a universe, this dystopian future
疯狂麦克斯的内心世界 that Mad Max lived within.
你想离开这里吗? You want to get out of here?
你跟我说话。 You talk to me.
乔治把这一切都充实起来了。 George had fleshed it all out.
这不仅仅是一个出去射击很多被掀翻的汽车的问题 It's not just a matter of going out and shooting a lot of cars being flipped
人们穿着奇装异服，骑着莫霍克摩托车的人在奔跑 and people dressed up strangely and mohawk bikers running
圆圆的，尖叫着。 round and screaming.
有一个明确的 There was a definite
乔治在那部电影里所做的一切。 heart to everything that George did in that movie.
乔治·米勒给了我所有我需要的工具 George Miller gave me all the tools that I needed
而我和那个角色完全不一样。 to be Wez, and I'm nothing like that character.
我是说，在上帝的世界里我不可能成为薇兹。 I mean, there's no way in God's Earth that I can ever be Wez.
你!你可以跑，但你躲不掉! You! You can run but you can't hide!
他们总是对我说:“只要用150%，我们就可以把它降到100%。” They always used to say to me, "Just do it at 150%, we can bring it down to 100."
他想要的是这种朋克摇滚版的科幻小说。 What he wanted was this punk rock version of science fiction.
难以想象一部《疯狂的麦克斯》电影会做出这样的事 It's unthinkable that a Mad Max film would do what
而一部《速度与激情》却能做到，而且还加入了CGI技术。 a Fast and Furious film does and just throw in CGI.
不，他们担心我们知道特技表演是真的 No, they worry about us knowing the stunts were done for real
那种暴力感随之而来。 and that kind of sense of violence that came with that.
我们没有使用任何工具 We didn't use any
镜头里的那个有特效。 special effects on that one that was in camera.
安全是头等大事。 Safety was a paramount concern.
我爬上的这辆车，有16个轮子， The vehicle I'm climbing onto, which has 16 wheels,
如果我滑倒，它会从我身上碾过去。 is going to run over me if I slip.
车上的一个特技演员会抓住我。 one of the stunt guys that was on it would just grab me.
十年来，这一切都是关于未来的 For a decade that was all about the future
还有科技、计算机和科学。 and tech and computers and sci fi.
这一切都被剥夺了。 It stripped all of that away.
如果你看看我们在应对气候危机方面的进展，就会发现这是非常有先见之明的。 It's very prescient if you look at where we’re going with the climate crisis.
部落主义已经开始生根发芽人们开始选择立场。 and how tribalism is sort of already taking root and people are picking sides.
你竟敢违抗我! You have defied me!
你会知道休蒙格斯大人的报复! You will know the vengeance of The Lord Humungus!
“公路勇士”是我们前进方向的一个警告。 Road Warrior was a warning of where we were headed.
他们不只是在拍电影，他们就在那里 They weren't just doing a film, they were out there
向人们展示了我们即将面临的功能障碍。 showing people the dysfunction that we were headed for.
但我们已经做到了。 But we're there.
《星球大战》上映时， When Star Wars came out,
我爸爸说:“我想我们会接到派拉蒙的电话 my dad was saying, "I think we're going to get a call from Paramount
他们会想让我们回去的。等着瞧吧。” "and they're going to want us back. Wait and see."
对爸爸来说，《电影》在很多方面都是一部令人失望的电影。 To dad, The Motion Picture was a disappointing film on a number of levels.
《星际迷航》不如《2001》有远见。 Star Trek is not as visionary as 2001.
它没有《星球大战》那么热闹。 It's not as exuberant as Star Wars.
大多数业内人士认为，之后的反响较差 Most of the industry thought that after the poor reception of the first
《星际迷航》电影，那几乎是这个系列的终结。 Star Trek film, that was going to be pretty much the end of the franchise.
直到尼克·梅耶出现，一切才回到正轨。 It wasn't until the Nick Meyer showed up, that things got back on track.
《星际迷航2》。 Star Trek II.
可汗之怒。 The Wrath of Khan.
我有很多选择 A lot of my choices
是对电影《星际迷航》的一种反应， were kind of in reaction to Star Trek The Motion Picture,
我想让一切更封闭，更像潜水艇。 I wanted things to be more confined, more submarine like.
鱼雷准备好了，长官。 Torpedo's ready, sir.
《星际迷航2》讲的是经典的故事。 Star Trek II was classic storytelling.
你有一个很棒的演员， You had a wonderful actor,
里卡多Montalbán，可汗。 Ricardo Montalbán, Khan.
为什么? Why?
是的，他有点过火了。 Yes, he was a little bit over the top.
但它需要这样做。 But it called for that.
而且，你知道，比尔在这个问题上从不懈怠 And, you know, Bill is no slouch when it comes
感情用事。 to emoting.
汗! ! Khan!!!
他们是一个伟大的组合。不可阻挡的力量 They were a great combination. The unstoppable force
和不可移动的物体。 and the immovable object.
他们在锁定相位枪。提高盾牌。火! They’re locking phasers. Raise shields. Fire!
火! Fire!
这就是你想要的。 And that's what you want.
你想要那种摩擦。 You want that kind of friction.
火! Fire!
他们总是吵个不停。 They were always at each other's throats.
出色的人物塑造和出色的故事叙述。 With terrific character building and terrific storytelling.
我觉得我们不能做得更好了。 I didn't think we could do better.
我们这里有谁? And who do we have here?
一等海军军官候补生。彼得·普雷斯顿，我是工程师的伙伴，长官! Midshipman first class. Peter Preston, engineer's mate, sir!
这是我拍过的最紧张的片场。 It was the most tension thick set I've ever been on.
这是一部大制作，因为派拉蒙承担了很大的风险， It was a big film because of the risk Paramount was taking,
即使是拍第二部，考虑到第一部的反响。 even doing the second film, given how the first one was received.
就宇宙历史而言， As a matter of cosmic history,
毁灭总是比创造容易。 it has always been easier to destroy than to create.
比尔总是表现得像柯克。 Bill was always acting like Kirk.
他在片场走来走去。 He paraded around the set.
他似乎一直都很自负，我才意识到他只是在努力 He seemed pompous all the time, and I just realized that he was just trying
融入角色，我觉得莱纳德也在做同样的事。 to stay in character, and I think Leonard was doing very much the same thing.
有机会登上进取号吗。 Any chance to go aboard the Enterprise.
武井乔治是我的最爱。 George Takei was my favorite.
每次乔治打完枪，门就会被撞开。 Every single time George was finished shooting, the door would burst open.
突然之间，我们会听到“苏鲁今天得到了他的特写。” All of a sudden we would hear "Sulu got his close up today."
姿势像超级英雄，“苏鲁今天若有所思地向右看”， And posture like-- like a superhero, "Sulu looked pensively to the right today",
在片场创造一些轻松的气氛，这是非常非常非常需要的。 creating some levity on the set, which was desperately, desperately, desperately needed.
三分钟内我需要曲速飞行，否则我们都得死。 I need warp speed in three minutes, or we're all dead.
斯波克真的死了，这让我不知所措。 Finding out that Spock actually does die was overwhelming.
我以为他们不能这么做。 I thought they can't do this.
他们不能这么做。但在电影上映之前， They can't do this. But before the film came out,
每个人都知道斯波克快要死了。 everybody knew that Spock was going to die.
我们开始收到威胁说"如果史波克死了，你也得死" We started getting threats about, "If Spock dies, you die."
这都是在互联网出现之前，所以人们是怎么知道的 This is all before the internet, so how people heard about this
我不知道。 I have no idea.
史波克的死 the idea of this demise of Spock,
爸爸突然觉得这主意很有趣， which dad just thought was an interesting idea dramatically,
他甚至没有考虑后果。 He wasn't even thinking about the repercussions.
他们认为这可能是最后一部电影。 They thought that maybe this was going to be the last film.
将会有两部电影，然后结束这个系列。 There are going to be two films and then be done with the franchise.
长命百岁，财源滚滚。 Live long, and prosper.
从那以后，他有许多顾虑和遗憾。 He had much misgivings after that and regret.
到最后，感觉就像，哇。 Oh, by the end, it was like, whoa.
斯波克真的要死了。 Spock is really going to be dead.
我说，“当然，他一定是死了。 And I said, "Hell yeah, he's got to be dead.
“除此之外，我们还利用了成千上万人的利益 "Otherwise, we've taken advantage of thousands of people for whom
“这真的很重要。 "this is really important stuff.
“最后我们会说，‘哦，伙计们，这只是一个枯燥的骗局。’” "And we're going to say at the end, 'oh folks, it was just a dry hustle.' "
这是可怕的。 That's terrible.
我竭尽全力与之抗争， And I fought it tooth and nail,
这个星球上的棺材， that coffin on the planet,
我想我可能错了 and I think I was probably wrong.
死亡从来都不是真正的死亡 Death was never really death,
它总是盯着下一部电影的票房。 it was always one eye on the box office in the next incarnation of it.
我一直都很瞧不起这一点。 I always kind of looked down my nose at that.
有足够的空间。 There's plenty of room.
他们问我想不想拍《星际迷航3》。 They asked me if I wanted to do Star Trek III.
我说，“那是关于什么的?” And I said, "What is that going to be about?"
他们说:“嗯，这是关于，你知道，斯波克回来了。” And they said, "Well, it's about, you know, Spock comes back", I go...
“复活。 "resurrection.
“我想我不知道如何复活。” "I don't think I know how to do resurrection."
所以我没有这么做。 So I didn't do it.
有一个非常私人的， There was a very personal,
很多宏大的故事都有亲密的天性 intimate nature to a lot of the very grandiose storytelling
在80年代，正是这种反差让他们工作起来。 in the '80s, and it was that contrast that often made them work.
这在很大程度上要归功于斯皮尔伯格。 A lot of that can be attributed to Spielberg.
史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格的《外星人》。 Steven Spielberg's E.T., The Extra Terrestrial.
外星人，尤其是当你还是个孩子的时候，是这样的 E.T., especially when you're a child, is such
过山车，因为你会经历很多不同的情绪。 a roller coaster because you go through so many different emotions.
你能说是外星人吗? Can you say E.T.?
E.T. E.T.
绝对是一部催人泪下的电影。 Definitely a tear jerker.
E.T. E.T.
艾略特。 Eliot.
当他抱着他说 When he is hugging him and saying
再见，我在哭，我在哭。 goodbye, I'm crying, I'm crying.
我每次看到它都会哭，每次。 I cry every time I see it, every time.
这本该是史蒂文的小电影 This was supposed to be Steven's little film in between
都是他的大片。 all his big blockbusters.
他所有的电影实际上都是非常个人化的电影。 All of his films are actually intensely personal films.
他在一个破碎的家庭中长大。 He grew up in a broken home.
他的父亲离开了，他的父母离婚了，这对他造成了很大的创伤。 His father left, his parents got divorced, it had a very traumatic effect on him.
他在拍关于自己生活的个人电影， He's making personal films about his own life,
只是那种画布比较大。 just that the kind of canvas is a bigger one.
一切都在改变 Everything was changing
那个时候在我们的社会里，在家庭周围。 at that time within our society, around the family.
我很自豪我能扮演 I'm proud that I was able to portray
第一批坚强的母亲之一。 one of those first strong mothers.
妈妈，他会说话! Mommy, he can talk!
他当然会说话。我十分钟后就回来。呆在那里。 Of course he can talk. I'll be right back, in 10 minutes. Stay there.
我觉得我是在向自己的母亲致敬。 I felt like I was honoring my own mom.
史蒂文，在很多方面还是个孩子。 Steven, in a lot of ways is a child.
这就是为什么我认为他会回应并理解孩子们 That's why I think he responds and understands the kids
得那么好。 so well.
只有小孩子才能看到他。 Only little kids can see him.
饶了我吧。 Give me a break.
有些电影是如此的原始和真实 There are certain movies that are just so raw and honest
他们对青春的诠释，以及《外星人E.T.》里的儿童组合 in their interpretation of youth, and the kid ensemble in E.T.
是其中之一。 is one of those.
et，给家里打电话。 E.T., phone home.
天啊，他现在开口了。 My God, he's talking now.
我们用的是里斯巧克力 We used Reese's Pieces
而不是M&M，因为M&M拒绝了我们， instead of M&M's, because M&M's turned us down,
他说:“我们不想和外星人扯上关系。” and said "We don't think we want to be involved with an alien."
我的天啊。 Oh, my God.
你想成为M&M's的老板吗 Would you wanted to be the guy at M&M's
谁拒绝了外星人 who turned down E.T.
八十年代的时候，有一群挂钥匙的孩子 Back in the '80s, there were these latchkey kids
你可以出去在森林里奔跑。 where you were allowed to go out and run through the forest.
“日落前回来，亲爱的。” "Back by sunset, darling."
绝对是不同的时代。 Definitely a different time.
郊区, Suburbia,
你的父母不在你身边，不在你的世界里。 your parents were not around you, involved in your world.
成年人只是这些在画面外的东西。 The adults were these just these things out there outside of the frame.
没有电视。 No TV.
亨利走下来的那场戏 The scene where Henry walks down
正在给E.T.看所有的玩具时，史蒂文说:“把你的玩具都带来。” and is showing E.T. all the toys, Steven said, "Bring all your toys."
这些都是亨利真正的玩具。 So those were all Henry's real toys.
我觉得大白鲨可能被放在那里。 I think Jaws was probably placed in there.
鲨鱼吃了鱼。没人吃鲨鱼。 The shark eats the fish. Nobody eats the shark.
我清楚地 I distinctly
还记得我走上摄影棚的第一天。 remember the first day I walked onto the sound stage.
有一种联系。 There was a connection.
我们开枪的时候是史蒂文的声音。 Steven did the voice when we shot.
德鲁还很年轻，她真的不能 Drew was very young, she really couldn't
分清现实与幻想的区别。 distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy.
当E.T.工作不好的时候，我们会把他放在角落里， We would put E.T. in a corner when he wasn't working well,
她会和他谈完的。 she would be over talking to him.
史蒂文有两个人 So Steven had two guys
一直是谁的工作 whose job it was to at all times
在外星人巡逻，这样他就能活过来 be on E.T. patrol so that he could come alive
格蒂仍然不需要放弃这个信念。 and Gertie would still not have to suspend that, that belief.
我们得拍他的死亡场景。 We have to shoot his death scene.
我弯下腰说:“嗨，德鲁。 I stooped down and I said, "Hi, Drew.
“我们要去拍E.T.死去的那场戏， "We're going to go shoot the scene where E.T. is dying,
“但《外星人》就像我们在演戏一样，对吧?” "but E.T. is just acting like we're acting, right?
“他不是真的要死了。” "He's not really dying."
她说:“我知道，小迪。 She goes, "I know, Dee.
“你以为我傻吗?” "Do you think I'm stupid?"
所以我抱起她走了进去。 So I picked her up and we walked in.
她看了一眼外星人， She took one look at E.T,
“他要死了!” and went, "He's dying!"
史蒂文说:“滚，滚。” Steven's going, "Roll it, roll it."
明确! Clear!
我们要失去他了! We're losing him!
电影本身的信息 The message of the film itself
都是关于爱，友谊和联系。 was all about love and friendship and connection.
它超越了我们的大脑，直接进入我们的心脏。 It surpasses our brains and goes straight to our heart.
观众已经准备好了。 The audience was ready for it.
世界已经做好了准备。 The world was ready for it.
毫不夸张地说，这是我们这一代人的 And literally, it's our generation's
绿野仙踪。 Wizard of Oz.
我将 I'll
是 be
正确的 right
在这里。 here.
对我来说，《银翼杀手》的强大之处在于它的视觉叙事。 The thing about Blade Runner that's so powerful for me is just the visual storytelling.
制作设计，摄影， The production design, the cinematography,
舞蹈编排非常出色， the choreography is so outstanding,
它是如此美丽。 it's so beautiful.
看起来很酷， It looks really cool,
但这就是我们警告过你的一切。 but it is everything we have warned you against.
一个新的生活在外星殖民地等待着你。 A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies.
雷德利·斯科特的哥哥， Ridley Scott's brother,
弗兰克去世了，这也是雷德利·斯科特拍《银翼杀手》的原因之一 Frank, had died, and one of the reasons Ridley Scott made Blade Runner
因为他想发泄自己的悲伤，这是他知道的唯一方法 because he was trying to work his grief out, the only way he knew
那就是拍电影。所以它会被注入 which was making a film. So it was going to be imbued with
黑暗。 that darkness.
复制人就像其他机器一样。它们要么是好处，要么是危险。 Replicants are like any other machine. They're either a benefit or a hazard.
如果他们是福利，那不是我的问题。 If they're a benefit it's not my problem.
它关乎我们自己的寿命。 It's about our own life spans.
我们已经尽力把你做得很好了。 You were made as well as we could make you.
但不会长久。 But not to last.
燃烧两倍亮度的光，燃烧时间减半。 The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long.
如果我们创造了奴隶种族，那我们就是上帝了吗， If we create a slave race, does that make us God,
我们的道德责任是什么? what is our moral duty to that?
是什么使我们成为人类?是记忆吗? What makes us human? Is it memory?
关于存在的非常详细的主题。 Incredibly detailed themes about existence.
它怎么可能不知道自己是什么? How can it not know what it is?
商业是我们在提利尔的目标。“比人更有人性”是我们的座右铭。 Commerce is our goal here at Tyrell. 'More human than human' is our motto.
我喜欢复制人。 I love the replicants.
我思故我在，塞巴斯蒂安。 I think, Sebastian, therefore I am.
因为他们是影片中最具人性的角色。 Because they're the most human characters in the film.
它们拥有最多的生命力，这是一种讽刺。 They've got the most life to them, and it's kind of an irony.
我的生日是2017年4月10日。我能活多久? My birthday is April 10, 2017. How long do I live?
四年。 Four years.
他们很有人性，自我保护， Something is very human about them, self-preservation,
想要有影响力，超越奴隶的角色 wanting to matter, beyond the role as the slave
或者作为二等公民，我是说，这真的是 or as a second class citizen, I mean, this really is
轶事。 anecdotal.
你觉得我是复制人，是吗? You think I'm a replicant, don't you?
我觉得我的角色，瑞秋， I felt that my character, Rachel,
是那幅画的核心和灵魂。 was the heart and soul of that picture.
你弹得真漂亮。 You play beautifully.
去拍《银翼杀手》的时候，我以为我们要见面 Walking in to do Blade Runner, I thought I was going to meet
汉独奏。只要哈里森愿意，他可以很有趣。 Han Solo. Harrison could be funny on a dime if he wanted to be.
但他不抓俘虏。 But he doesn't take prisoners.
他说你是银翼杀手。 He say you Blade Runner.
告诉他我在吃饭。 Tell him I'm eating.
鲁特格有一种活力四射的性格， Rutger had a certain sort of dynamo personality,
这个角色也做到了，我最喜欢的一句台词是after and the character did as well, and one of my favorite lines is after
他的头被击中了，他说，“这就对了!” he gets hit in the head, he goes, "That's the spirit!" you know.
这就对了! That's the spirit!
他把它做成了标志性的作品。 And he made it very iconic.
生活在恐惧中是很美妙的经历，不是吗? Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?
我问雷德利，为什么是独角兽? I said to Ridley, why the unicorn?
他说，“嗯，我想拍完这部关于独角兽的电影后，我会再拍一部。 And he says, "Well, I think I'm going to make another movie after this about unicorns.
“我不认为这个角色是真正的人类，我认为他不是人类。” "And I don't think this character is really human and I think he's not human."
我说:“真的吗?” And I went, "Really?"
我不认为他们最终会这样做，因为我不认为 I don't think they ended up making that the case because I don't think
高管们觉得你可以有一个非人类的男主角。 the executives felt that you could have a leading man that wasn't human.
我记得在电影院看过银翼杀手 I remember seeing Blade Runner at a theater
心想，天哪，那是什么叙述? thinking to myself, my God, what is that narration?
这是可怕的。 It's horrible.
他们不会在报纸上登招聘杀手的广告。那是我的职业。 They don't advertise for killers in the newspaper. That was my profession.
Ex-cop。 Ex-cop.
看起来好像有人来过 It looked like somebody had
除了导演，我还拿它开玩笑。 fooled around with it other than a director.
复制人不应该有感情。 Replicants weren't supposed to have feelings.
《银翼杀手》也没有。 Neither were Blade Runners.
雷德利·斯科特和我分享过 Ridley Scott shared with me
电影公司非常担心没人会知道 the studio was so concerned that no one was going to know
他们坚持要看什么样的电影 what kind of movie they were watching, that they insisted
他一开始就放了旁白。 that he put the narration up at the beginning.
这是他对我说的。 This is what he said to me.
他和哈里森合谋使它成为最糟糕的叙述 He and Harrison conspired with each other to make it the worst piece of narration
他们可能会为了让电影公司说， they could possibly record in order to get the studio to say,
“我们甚至不能使用这个，这太糟糕了。” "We can't even use this, it's just so awful."
报告将是“复制人的例行退休”。 The report would be 'routine retirement of a replicant'.
这并不能让我对背后开枪的女人好受些。 Which didn't make me feel any better about shooting a woman in the back.
但他们最终还是用了它。 But they ended up using it.
像《银翼杀手》这样的电影没有先例。 The precedent hadn't been set for a film like Blade Runner.
我认为这可能是超前的。 I think that was probably ahead of its time.
这是雷德利最出色的地方， That's sort of the brilliant part about Ridley,
他一直在想，在想象，在脑子里翻来覆去， he's constantly thinking and imagining and ripping things up in his mind,
这就是他成为艺术家的原因。 and that's what makes him the artist that he is.
他的大脑在那里。 His brain went there.
就像 Like
眼泪 tears
在下雨。 in rain.
好人总是会赢! The good guys always win!
即使是在80年代。 Even in the '80s.
Ace猎人, Ace Hunter,
我扮演的是终极好人。 who I played was just the ultimate good guy.
哈尔·尼德姆总是说这很简单， Hal Needham always said it's very simple,
“这是好人对抗坏人。” "It's the good guys against the bad guys."
最初的剧本更像是一部真正的《特种部队》， The original script was more like a real shoot 'em up, G.I. Joe,
就是那种屠杀敌人的电影。 You know, slaughter the enemy kind of movie.
哈尔说:“不，不，我不想那样做。” and Hal said, "No, no, I don't want to do that."
你不能用超级力量对抗银翼杀手 You can't go up against Blade Runner with MegaForce
你会有同样的观众。 and think that you're going to have that same audience.
我们的观众都是12岁的孩子。 You know, our audience was twelve-year-olds.
美泰玩具公司在这些汽车方面非常有影响力 Mattel Toys was very influential in terms of how these vehicles
将是设计，颜色和形状。 would be designed, colors and shapes.
主要目的是诱骗格拉过境， Primary objective, is to trick Guerera to cross the border,
在预定的时间和地点把他带进你的领地。 bringing him in your territory at a predetermined time and place.
哈尔·尼德姆和他妻子在舞台上看过我演《彭赞斯海盗》 Hal Needham, his wife saw me in Pirates of Penzance on stage,
她回到家对哈尔说:“我把你的王牌猎人带来了。” and she went home and said to Hal, "I've got your Ace Hunter right here."
当他们给我这个角色的时候，我们得演《王牌猎人》 When they offered me the part, we had to make Ace Hunter
和《潘赞斯海盗》里的海盗王一模一样 look exactly like the Pirate King in the Pirates of Penzance,
从发带到胡子再到头发，都是这种招摇 from the headband to the beard to the hair, this sort of swagger
有点夸张的超级英雄态度，我喜欢称之为过度表演。 and slightly over-the-top superhero attitude which I like to call overacting.
王牌猎人的服装和所有的服装都是由美泰玩具设计的。 The Ace Hunter outfits and all of the outfits were designed by Mattel toys.
这部电影没有服装设计师， There wasn't a costume designer on this movie,
这太不寻常了。 which is so totally unusual.
氨纶的,对吧? Spandex, right?
如果你想知道真相的话，我觉得我大部分时间都在吸毒。 I think I was stoned most of the time, if you want to know the truth.
然后广告就会拍着我的肩膀说， And then the AD would come tap me on the shoulder and say,
"听着，我们一小时后需要你帮忙" "Oh, listen, we need you in an hour."
把衣服给我穿上就行了。 Just pour me in the outfit.
我手下的人都化了国际妆。 My guys so international in their makeup.
《MegaForce》中的所有角色都是单维角色。 All the characters in MegaForce were one dimensional characters.
这就是它的乐趣所在，因为这就是它的意义所在 And that's part of the fun of it, because that's what makes it
这类卡通。 that sort of cartoon.
但我要告诉你，孩子，我们确实惹出了麻烦! But I'll tell you, son, we did raise some kind of hell!
爱德华·穆拉尔，可能因为《霹雳游侠》而出名， Edward Mulhare, probably better known afterwards for Knight Rider,
把国际上为他而战的秘密拼凑起来。 putting it together that international fighting for his secretively.
他可能没交税。 He probably didn't pay his taxes.
Persis Khambatta扮演Zara。 And Persis Khambatta played Zara.
可惜她长得不漂亮。嗯? It's too bad that she wasn't prettier. Huh?
天啊，她太美了 Jesus, she was gorgeous
她有她的头发。 and she had her hair.
柯克单位。 Kirk unit.
我一直以为我们能 I always thought we were going to make
一台超级武力II和一台超级武力III。我在超级力量上大号的时候 a Megaforce II and a MegaForce III. When Megaforce I took a dump,
我们还没到那一步。 we never got to the point of that.
我想第二部电影的名字应该是《MegaForce Deeds, Not Words》。 MegaForce Deeds, Not Words I think was going to be the name of the second one.
剧本还在某处。 The script is still out there somewhere.
当有人提到MegaForce时，他们只是在取笑它。 When anybody mentions MegaForce, they just make fun of it.
你拍电影从来不会想到它会是一部邪典电影。 You never make a movie thinking it's going to be a cult movie.
我们拍邪典电影的时候谁知道 Who even knew about cult movies when we were doing
洛基恐怖电影秀? Rocky Horror Picture Show?
看在上帝的份上，这不是《哈姆雷特》。 It's not Hamlet, for God sakes.
特隆。 Tron.
他是一个程序员， He is a programmer,
但他被卷入了这个世界，最终毁掉了整个系统。 but he gets sucked into this world and ends up taking the whole system down.
小家伙。 Little guy.
多么了不起的概念。 What a concept.
如果我们下去，看到的是一个真实的世界呢? What if we went down in there and it was actually a world?
我参加过星球大战的试镜。 I auditioned for Star Wars.
我没拿到那个。 I didn't get that one.
我看着这个，我说，嗯，它看起来有点像太空。好的。 I looked at this and I said, Well, it kind of looks like space. Okay.
我觉得自己是一项开创性的努力的一部分。 I felt a part of a pioneering effort.
Steven Lisberger，这个的创造者，我叫他Yoda。 And Steven Lisberger, the creator of this, I call him Yoda.
所有东西都在上面。 Everything was hanging on this.
那是很大的责任。 That's a lot of responsibility.
我们可能会惨败。 We could miserably fail.
或者我们可以取得巨大成功。 Or we could wildly succeed.
如果你看杰夫·布里奇斯布鲁斯·博克斯莱特纳的表演 If you look at the performances by Jeff Bridges, Bruce Boxleitner,
辛迪·摩根，她必须面对一切。 Cindy Morgan, who had to act in front of nothing.
我现在看到的是什么? So what am I looking at?
你现在看到的是太阳能帆船。 Okay, you're looking at the Solar Sailer.
这是一张草图。 Here's a sketch.
我们穿着曲棍球服 We wore hockey
头盔和摩托车越野垫肩。 helmets and motocross shoulder pads.
我们穿的是男芭蕾舞者会穿的衣服。 We were wearing what a male ballet dancer would wear.
这可能是早期的丁字裤，男性的丁字裤。 It was probably the early thong, male thong.
创是一名战士。 Tron was a warrior.
他统治了比赛方格。 He dominated the game grid.
那家伙是谁? Who's that guy?
这是特隆。他为使用者而战。 That's Tron. He fights for The Users.
我会拿我的飞盘，然后我们一起玩飞盘 I would get my frisbee and we'd play with our discs like
只是战斗之类的，假装我有光周期。 just the battles and stuff and pretend I had a light cycle.
他们喜欢光循环。 They loved the light cycles.
我从没见过。 I never saw it.
我面前是一根带着横木的棍子。 It was a stick in front of me with a crossbar.
我们都站在那里，他们有点 We were all standing there and they kind of
我们弯下腰。 we bent over.
就是这样。 And that was it.
我全程都是这样追的。 And I did the whole chase like that.
完成游戏! Finish the game!
不! No!
饰演反派萨克的大卫·华纳 David Warner, who played the villain Sark,
我必须和他进行最后一场大战，他不是一个强壮的人。 who I had to have my final big battle with, was not a physical guy.
所以大部分时间他都得被弯成两半。 So he had to be doubled through most of it.
人们被鼓励 People were encouraged
放他们所谓的复活节彩蛋 to put what they call Easter eggs.
其中一个排字工人把《吃豆人》填进去了。 one of the compositors had put in Pac-Man.
我们很喜欢。 We loved it.
太阳航行者号正在穿越大地 The Solar Sailer going over the landscape
看到米老鼠的轮廓。 and seeing the outline of Mickey Mouse.
真是个好主意。 What a great idea.
艾伦 Alan
你从哪儿听说这个名字的? Where did you hear that name?
那是你的名字，不是吗? Well, that's your name, isn't it?
我的用户名。 Name of my user.
从这个角度来看，《创战记》有神学元素 There's a theological element to Tron from the perspective
这个问题是，用户是真实的吗? of the programs inside the computer, and that question is, are the users real?
用户甚至写信给你! The user even wrote you!
没有一个用户给我写信。我的价值相当于他们的几百万年。 No one user wrote me. I'm worth millions of their man-years.
我们应该相信用户吗 Should we believe in the users
用它来抵抗主控制计划的压迫? and use it to resist the oppression of the Master Control Program?
它变成了对信仰的沉思，科学 It becomes this meditation on faith, where science
与神学相冲突。 and theology collide.
如果您是一个用户。 If you are a user.
你所做的一切都是按计划进行的，对吧? And everything you've done has been according to the plan, right?
你的愿望。 You wish.
当我看到最终产品时， When I saw the final product,
我觉得自己是个骄傲的父亲。 I felt like a proud father.
基本上就是把你扔给好莱坞的其他人。 And it was basically F you to the rest of Hollywood.
你觉得我们做不到吗? You thought we couldn't do it?
是的。现在你觉得我们怎么样? Yeah. Well, how do you like us now?
为了那些孩子 For those kids
在全国，全世界的拱廊里， in all those arcades throughout the country, in the world,
他们明白了，我知道我们有了革命性的东西。 they got it, and I knew then that we had a revolutionary thing.
现在不会有人感激，但以后会感激的。 It's not going to be appreciated now, but it will be.
行了。 End of line.
看电影的体验 The movie-going experience
在你能去看电影之前就已经开始了， became something that started way before you could actually go see the movie,
电影是一种产品，就像可口可乐是一种产品。 a movie is a product just like Coca-Cola is a product.
我又做了一次。抓住潮流。可乐。 I did it again. Catch the wave. Coke.
而是把名字放进你的脑子里 It's putting the name in your head
这样你就会思考它并对它感兴趣。 so that you will think about it and feel interested in it.
你必须记住 You have to remember
如果有可能的话，在20世纪80年代还没有互联网这种东西。 if it's at all possible, that in the 1980s there was no such thing as the internet.
我们对未来电影的了解都是由电影院的大厅给我们的 What we knew of future films was given to us by the lobby of the cinema
我们正要去那里看电影。 where we were currently going to see a film.
这是一件令人激动的事情。 And it was a thrilling thing.
有那么一瞬间你看着海报 There was that little moment where you looked at the poster
当你看着它的时候，你开始在你的脑海里制作电影。 and you started to make the film in your head as you looked at it.
我们所要做的就是拿到冠军， All we had to go on was the title,
标语和图像。我记得第一张伟大的照片 the tagline and the imagery. I remember that first great image
《星球大战:卢克拿着光剑》让人想起中世纪 from Star Wars: Luke holding the lightsaber, it's evocative of medieval,
不管是汤姆·荣格版还是希尔德布兰特兄弟版。 whether it's the Tom Jung version or the Hildebrandt Brothers version.
这是一个非常有震撼力的画面，现在依然如此。 It was such a powerful image, and still is.
在那个年代， Back in those days,
电影海报是合法的艺术作品。 movie posters were legitimate works of art.
现在我们知道了。 Now we know them.
你知道，这里有很多艺术家。 You know, it's kind of great range of artists.
《星际迷航》海报的设计者鲍勃·匹克，德鲁·斯特鲁赞， Bob Peak who did all The Star Trek posters, Drew Struzan,
他现在是一个传奇。 who's now a legend.
还有罗伯特·麦金尼斯和约翰·伯基等人。 And Robert McGinnis and John Berkey and others.
有很多艺术家已经成为了崇拜的对象 It's a great range of artists who have become cult
人物和整个科幻海报艺术的想法 figures and the whole idea of science fiction poster art
就其本身而言，已成为一件值得收藏的物品。 has become a collectible and desirable in its own right.
杰出的营销, Brilliant marketing,
这幅米开朗基罗的画对我们意义重大。 the Michelangelo picture has so much meaning to us.
我认为这是一个很好的表现。 I thought it was a brilliant representation of that.
《创》是一张对我非常重要的海报。 Tron was a poster that was very important to me.
很棒的视觉创意。 Great visual idea.
那东西有一张极好的海报。 The Thing had a fabulous poster.
对我来说，真的是下一个层次 For me, really, the next level
就海报艺术而言，是VHS盒子，因为当你进入 in terms of poster art is the VHS box, because when you went into
音像店，就是你用来做选择的地方。 video stores, that's what you were using to make your choices.
一部在影院里大受欢迎的电影 A movie that had been playing to crickets in theaters
现在人们会想，‘哦，这一定是一部大热的电影。’ was now a movie that people thought, 'oh, this must have been a big hit.'
我想部分原因是盒子上的东西很吸引人。这改变了 I think partly because of the appeal of what was on the box. That transformed
人们对这些照片成功的记忆。 what people remember about the success of these pictures.
差别真大! What a difference!
如果你没有生活在80年代，你永远不会知道令人难以置信的事情 If you weren't alive in the '80s, you will never know the unbelievable
高赌注选择 high stakes selection
在音像店处理。 process at the video store.
你把它翻转过来，看看背景中的一些单词 You kind of flipped it around and looked at some of the words in the background
读了其中的一些，看了一些引文，“两个大拇指 and read maybe a few of them and looked at some of the quotes, "Two thumbs up
"罗杰·埃伯特"，你知道吗? "Roger Ebert", you know?
但让你兴奋和我们渴望的是前面的画面 But it was the image on the front that made you excited and our hunger
不仅要了解电影中的世界， not only to know about the worlds of the film,
但也知道他们是如何让电影世界开始成长的。 but also to know about how they made the worlds of the film began to grow.
观众是 The audience was
非常聪明，我说:“我想我们可以做一本杂志 very intelligent, and I said, "I think we can do a magazine
，目标受众是像我这样的科幻小说迷 "that will target people like me that have been a science fiction fan
“从我小时候起，它就涵盖了所有我喜欢的东西。” "since I was a kid that really covered all the stuff that I love."
极客的成长并不是必然的 Geeks grew not out of necessarily
想成为卢克·天行者，而是因为他们想成为乔治·卢卡斯。 wanting to be Luke Skywalker, but because they wanted to be George Lucas.
他们想成为电影人，他们想了解电影 They wanted to become filmmakers, and they wanted to understand film
和它讲述的故事一样。 as much about the story it told.
但是幕后的故事也在继续，并且不断扩展 But the story that went on behind the scenes as well, and this expanded
整个80年代。 across the 1980s.
见到乔治·卢卡斯时，我对他说:“你的电影让我的杂志大获成功 I told George Lucas, when I met him, "Your movie made my magazine a success
因为它一上映，突然间所有观众 "because when it came out, suddenly the whole audience
，因为科幻小说变得生动起来。 "for science fiction came alive.
“他们想知道 "They want to know
“事实、信息、知识。 "facts, information, knowledge.
“这就是我们给他们的。” "That's what we were giving them."
Starlog Cinefantastique, Starlog, Cinefantastique,
cinemix是非常硬核的制作。 Cinefex is very much hardcore making of.
首映。 Premiere.
1989年，帝国娱乐在英国诞生，我继续为它工作。 Then in 1989 in Britain, Empire was born, which I went on to work for.
这是我在卢卡斯影业做的事情之一 one of the things I did at Lucasfilm
是我开始监督最初几年的官方工作吗 was I started and oversaw the first few years of the official
星球大战粉丝俱乐部，而且花费比运营成本少得多， Star Wars fan club, and for far less money than it cost us to operate,
你可以加入，我们送出了一个会员包，有一个独家海报 you could join and we sent out a membership kit with an exclusive poster
还有照片之类的东西，还有一份季刊《班莎轨迹》。 and photographs and stuff, and a quarterly newsletter called Bantha Tracks.
我们想让粉丝们保持兴趣和快乐。 We wanted to keep fans interested and happy.
粉丝圈是围绕着这些杂志发展起来的。 Fandom developed around these magazines.
我们为读者创造了一个地方 We created a place for the reader to come
倾诉他们的极客知识，和志同道合的人在一起。 and pour out their geekdom and be amongst like minded people.
在80年代有一段时间市场营销和植入广告 There was a point in the '80s when the marketing and the product placement
以及对这些电影未来的展望 and the sort of eye towards what these films were going to do beyond
当你离开电影院的时候，有时会超过电影本身。 when you left the theater would sometimes overtake the movie themselves.
别担心。 Don't you worry.
突然之间，你就有了 Suddenly, you've got
出现在公告牌排行榜上的电影歌曲 songs from movies that are on Billboard charts.
《捉鬼敢死队》里的小雷·帕克，太棒了。 Ray Parker Jr. from Ghostbusters, that was so fantastic.
如果你家附近有什么奇怪的事 If there's something strange In your neighborhood
MTV，他们会从电影里选一首歌 MTV, they would take a song from the movie
还拍了个视频，非常有趣。 and make a video, and it made it really fun.
-你要打给谁?捉鬼敢死队! - Who you gonna call? - Ghostbusters!
你把所有的事情联系在一起，然后你想看电影。 You associated all those things together and then you wanted to see the movie.
这是一种不可思议的营销。 It was kind of incredible marketing.
看音响。 Look at the stereo.
不，不，不，别碰它。这不是音响，这是 No, no, no, don't touch it. It's not a stereo, it's--
是什么? What is it?
电影就是这样在我们的头脑中成长起来的。 And this is how films grew in our heads.
这是引诱你的一种方式。如今，它们的用途要多得多 It was a way of enticing you in. These days, they're much more
就像整个宣传机器的伴奏。 like an accompaniment of the whole hype machine.
但我们不知道炒作是什么。 But we didn't know what hype was.
我是说，我们在80年代的时候也经历过，但没有命名。 I mean, we experienced it without putting a name on it back in the '80s.
这些都是我们广告和宣传的一部分。 So that's all part of our advertising and publicity.
这是有道理的。 It just makes sense.
谁会想去看这部电影? Who's going to want to go see this movie?
让他们知道这件事。 Let's let them know about it.
一美元我就买! I'd buy that for a dollar!
SpaceHunter。 SpaceHunter.
《禁区历险记》。 Adventures In The Forbidden Zone.
在3 d。 In 3-D.
80年代第一部3d科幻电影是《太空猎人》 So the first big 3-D science fiction movie of the '80s was Spacehunter
禁地历险记。 Adventures in the Forbidden Zone.
不知道为什么，所有这些80年代的 For some reason, all of these '80s
3d科幻电影的片名都很长很啰嗦。 3-D sci fi movies have really long, wordy titles.
我记得在电影院看过很多80年代的3d电影。 I remember seeing a lot of these '80s 3-D movies in the theater.
我是他们的目标受众。 I was their target audience.
我是那个提议的人 I was the one who sort of pitched
用3d制作。 doing it in 3-D.
我觉得标题是对的。 I thought the title was right.
这是一种科幻剥削电影 It is the kind of science fiction exploitation movie
这在当时很流行。 that was popular at the time.
三名女性坠机 Three women have crashed
降落在这个星球上，他们被俘虏了。 landed on this planet and they get captured.
迈克尔·艾恩赛德 Michael Ironside
是这部电影的反派，他的角色是Overdog。 is the villain in this film, his role is the Overdog.
我猜他讨厌化妆的过程，但喜欢看风景吃东西。 I imagine he hated the makeup process, but enjoyed the scenery eating.
啊，你不能伤害我。 Ah, you can't hurt me.
但我可以伤害你。 But I can hurt you.
彼得·施特劳斯扮演飞行员，汉·索罗的山寨角色。 Peter Strauss plays the pilot, the Han Solo knockoff character.
随你怎么说，公主。 Whatever you say, princess.
莫莉·林沃德，她在这个时间点上非常前《小鬼帮》的角色 Molly Ringwald, who at this point in time is very pre–Brat Pack plays
妮基，一个讨厌的角色。 Niki, a sort of an urchin pain in the butt character.
你到底是什么东西? What the hell are you?
你把我当什么了，你个瘦骨嶙峋的人渣?我是个女人! What do you think I am, you scrawny earthbag? I'm a woman!
《捉鬼敢死队》之前的演员厄尼·哈德森出演了这部电影 A pre Ghostbusters, Ernie Hudson is in this movie
作为走私犯兼飞行员，投机取巧的人，他们最后 as a rival smuggler slash pilot, opportunistic guy, and they end up
在电影中互相攀比，然后走到一起。 one-upping each other through the film, before coming together.
看看它。看看你做了什么! Just look at it. Look at what you did!
这是毁了! It's ruined!
有很多外景拍摄，一些非常令人印象深刻的风景。 There's a lot of location shooting, some very impressive landscapes.
他们真的让它看起来比它应有的更大。 They really make it look bigger than it has any right to be.
约翰·拉弗勒尔是年轻人 John LaFleur was the young
加拿大电影制作人，他发明了这个故事 Canadian filmmaker that sort of invented this story
最初，但他几乎没有电影经验。 initially, but he had very little film experience.
他很快就落后了，我们不得不做出改变 He fell behind very quickly and we had to make a change
我们找到了拉蒙特·约翰逊 in our filmmakers and we found Lamont Johnson.
他的想法是尽量让它逼真 His concept was to try to make it as realistic as possible
并没有享受到其中的乐趣。 and sort of didn't take advantage of the fun of it.
我觉得《太空猎人》有点迷失 I felt that Spacehunter was a little bit of a lost
考虑到演员阵容、概念和原生3d技术的使用，这部电影终于有了机会。 opportunity finally, given the cast and the concept and the use of native 3-D.
用两个摄像头，两个投影仪来展示 Using two cameras, using two projectors to show it
从商业角度来看，这是不可能的 kind of impossible from a commercial standpoint
就展览而言。 in terms of exhibition.
但是它看起来真的很漂亮 But it really looked beautiful
当你看到它的原始形态时。 when you could see it in its original form.
让游戏开始吧! Let the games begin!
《星球大战》的真实性非常好。 Star Wars had this wonderful level of authenticity.
只是不需要那么多的怀疑。 Just required a lot less of that suspension of disbelief.
这是讲故事的一次真正的革命。 That was a real revolution in storytelling.
电影和讲故事能做什么， What cinema could do and storytelling could do,
与观众的联系，绝对达到了顶峰。 and the connection with the audience can do, was absolutely at its height.
我认为即使对卢卡斯来说，期望也变得难以企及。 I think that even for Lucas, the expectation became Unattainably high.
《绝地武士》里有东西 There's stuff in Jedi
这是绝对的杰作，我有非常美好的回忆。 that is absolutely masterful that I have really fond memories of.
到那个旁边去。 Get alongside that one.
穿过森林的追逐， The chase through the forest,
就像一部史诗电影。 which is like an epic piece of cinema.
我非常喜欢那个镜头。 I love that sequence so much.
我去电影院看了23遍《绝地归来》。 I did go see Return of the Jedi 23 times in the theater.
萨拉克和贾巴会把他们都扔进去， The Sarlacc Pit and Jabba's is going to throw them all in there,
但卢克有R2的计划。 but Luke's got the plan with R2.
你还以为会有呢 You'd think that there would have been
波巴·费特和某个人还有阿憨的大战，对吧? this big battle with Boba Fett and someone and Han, right?
他就像火箭一样不小心撞到了贾巴的一侧 He just gets like accidentally rocket packed into the side of Jabba's
大型太空巡洋舰。 big space cruiser.
变成了一个打嗝笑话。 And becomes a burp joke.
波巴·费特 Boba Fett
第一次出现在《星球大战》节日特辑的动画片段中。 first showed up in the Star Wars Holiday Special in the animated sequence.
他本该是大反派 He was supposed to be the main villain
在后来被称为《绝地归来》的电影中 in the movie that turned out to be called Return of the Jedi.
一切都是为了追逐波巴，拯救汉·索罗。 It was all going to be about chasing Boba, rescuing Han Solo.
但在制作帝国娱乐的过程中，乔治决定 But during the making of Empire, George decided
他不想再拍《星球大战》电影了。 he did not want to make more Star Wars movies.
我和他坐在一个混音室里， I was sitting with him in a sound mixing room,
他告诉我他已经做了这个决定，并将结束， and he told me that he'd made this decision and was going to end,
这就是为什么他要浓缩第三部三部曲 and that's why he was going to condense the third trilogy
达斯·维德的救赎变成了《绝地归来》。 and the redemption of Darth Vader into Return of the Jedi.
然后，波巴 And then, Boba
他本来要成为大明星的 he went from going to be a big star
事后想起。 to an afterthought.
当我们来到片场时， When we came onto the set,
他们的衬衫上写着蓝色收获。 they had these shirts that said Blue Harvest.
就像是为了分散当地人的注意力 Sort of like just a distraction for the local people that they wouldn't
发现我们在拍《星球大战》电影 find out that we were doing a Star Wars movie
我们第一次出去吃饭和凯莉·费雪，马克·哈米尔，我父亲， the first time we go out to dinner and Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, my father,
哈里森·福特，一起吃晚餐。 you know, Harrison Ford, are having dinner together.
他们很快就会知道的。 They're going to figure it out real quick.
科里和我一直非常非常亲密。 Corey and I have always been very, very close.
每次我拍电影的时候，他都会和我一起旅行， He traveled a lot with me whenever I did movies,
替我代班。 stood in for me.
成为星球大战一员的机会 The opportunity to be a part of the Star Wars
特许经营是不能忽视的。 franchise was - couldn't overlook that.
当他掉进坑里的时候， When he fell into the pit,
阿憨正试着把他腿上的触须射掉。 Han is trying to shoot the tentacle off of his leg.
一枚炸药爆炸了，击中了他的脚。 An explosive charge went off and went into his foot.
烧了他的脚， And burned his foot,
所以他们让我穿上兰多的衣服，把我挂在船边。 so they put me in Lando's outfit, they hung me over the side.
他们没告诉我这些爆炸会发生。 They didn't tell me all these explosions were going to happen.
我想他们从我这里得到了真实的反应。 I guess they got a genuine reaction out of me.
然后他们需要有人戴上克拉图的面具。 And then they needed someone to put on Klaatu’s mask.
他只是一个随机的生物。 He was just a random creature.
他准备跑向天行者，和他进行一场短暂的战斗， He was going to run towards Skywalker, get into a quick skirmish,
我什么也看不见 and I couldn't see a thing.
就好像是最后一分钟的突发奇想。 It was sort of like a random last minute thing.
这就是我，一个公仔。 And here I am, an action figure.
最后的大战， The big battle at the end,
死星和恩多星球上的所有人都在等，你知道的，阿憨 the Death Star and then everyone on Endor waiting for, you know, Han
会把防护罩拆下来，我们得给他多点时间。 will get that shield down, we got to give him more time.
比利·迪加油。 Go Billy Dee.
我们得多给他点时间。 We've got to give him more time.
我做了七个特技 I did seven stunts
七个不同的伊渥克人。每次戴夫·汤姆林 for seven different Ewoks. Every time Dave Tomlin,
他是第一个助理导演说"深穿西装" who was the first assistant director goes, “Deep get into the suit.”
我说，“但我刚被杀了。”他说，“得再做一个。” I said, "But I just got killed." He said, "Got to do another one."
当我看《绝地武士》时，我是这样的。 When I watched Jedi, I was like this.
身体向前倾，我认为真正的电影观众的姿势是这样的。 Just leaning forward, and I think the true moviegoers posture, right, like that.
所以我们在这里看到的几乎是一个孩子想象力的连接 So what we have here is a linking of almost a child's imagination
所有的技术都听命于电影制作人。 with all the technology at the command of a movie maker.
这些电影把我们从童年带到了一个我们正在成长的时代。 These movies take us from childhood into an era where we're growing up.
我们在改变，他们却永远联系在一起。 We're changing, they're indelibly connected.
这是我生命中很重要的一部分。 It was this huge part of my life.
我们当然从未想过 We certainly never thought
我们本来要看更多这样的电影的。 we were going to get any more of these movies.
我认为乔治·卢卡斯所做的惊人之处在于，他证明了这是可能的 What I think George Lucas did amazingly was to show that it was possible
在一定程度上执行这些宏伟的愿景 to execute these grand visions with a level of believability
这是我们以前从未见过的。 that was something we haven't really seen before.
有很多电影人都受到了启发 There are a lot of filmmakers that were really inspired
因为乔治在《星球大战》里的表演而获得了自由。 and freed by what George had done on Star Wars.
你沉浸其中，你相信它，这真的很奇妙。 You got immersed into it and you believed it and that was really wonderful.
这是游戏还是真的? Is this a game or is it real?
大的。 WarGames.
当你把热核战争当作一个游戏， What happens when you play a thermonuclear war as a game,
但它真的连接到北美防空司令部? but it actually connects to NORAD?
我喜欢这个假设。 I love the What If of it.
我有七，更正，八，那是八红鸟两度… I have seven, correction, eight, that's eight Redbirds two degrees past...
还有另一部电影 There was another film
在《WarGames》《巨像》之前。 before WarGames, Colossus.
好人，我们有超级计算机，而坏人， The good guys, us have these supercomputers, and the bad guys,
俄罗斯人有超级计算机，他们连接起来了。 the Russians have these supercomputers and they connected.
所以突然之间，这个人工智能开始了 So all of a sudden, this artificial intelligence started
替我们做决定因为我们太不成熟，太暴力了。 to make decisions for us because we're so immature and violent and all that.
我们将共同努力。一开始你并不情愿。但这一切都会过去。 We will work together. Unwillingly at first on your part. But that will pass.
但这一切都会过去。 But that will pass.
这些电影真多啊 What a lot of these movies
他们所做的就是尽量靠近地砍柴 were doing is trying to hew as closely as they could
想象那些可能发生的事情，然后把它们演出来。 to things that might actually happen and then play them out.
用他们能想到的最可怕的方式。 in the most frightening way that they can think of.
他们希望它看起来和感觉上都是真实的。 They wanted it to look and feel real.
WOPR只打过第三次世界大战 The WOPR has only fought World War III as a game
一次又一次。 time and time again.
《战争游戏》是一部非常聪明的小电影。 WarGames, it's a really smart little movie.
在20世纪80年代初，人们对它越来越着迷 What it took was the growing fascination in the early 1980s
有了电脑，家用电脑就成了一种东西。 with computers, the home computer became a thing.
当时他们的车里只有1万公里， They barely had 10K in them at the time,
但它们是宇宙中最奇妙的东西。 but they were the most wonderful things in the universe.
你真的很喜欢电脑啊? You're really into computers, huh?
是的。 Yeah.
你可以拨号进入电脑，看到你不应该看到的东西。 You could dial into a computer and see stuff you weren't supposed to see.
哦，是的。 Oh, oh yes.
-你在干什么?-我要改你的生物成绩。 - What are you doing? - I'm changing your biology grade.
不，我不想你那样做，你会给我带来麻烦的。 No, I don't want you to do that, you're going to get me in trouble.
没人能知道。 Nobody can find out.
禁忌知识，拿出来吧。 Forbidden knowledge, bring that on.
马修·布罗德里克是个很棒的极客。家里的孩子 He was a great geek kid, Matthew Broderick. The kid at home
能不能通过电话线连接到大型主机 can through the phone line, no less, link up to some giant mainframe
操控美国所有核武器的机构 that operates all of the nuclear weapons in America.
这在我们的大脑中是可行的。 This is kind of feasible somehow in our brains.
这就是电脑的作用。 This is what computers do.
他可能会引发第三次世界大战。 And he could be starting World War III.
我们玩个游戏好吗? Shall we play a game?
如何……全球热核战争? How about... global thermonuclear war?
它真的很悬疑。 It's really suspenseful.
乔什想找到正确的密码这样他就能自己发射导弹了。 Josh was trying to find the right code so he could launch the missiles himself.
他们试图占卜 They're trying to divine
如何在超级计算机的游戏中击败它。 how to beat this supercomputer at its own game.
来吧。 Come on.
学习，该死的! Learn, goddamn it!
这是科学失控的电影 It was science out of control film
但这是一种永恒的恐惧。 but it keyed in to that permanent fear that was going on.
正常的孩子和核威胁。 Normal kids and nuclear threat.
我想我参加了六次《战争游戏》的试镜。 I think I auditioned for WarGames about six times.
最初的剧本要黑暗得多，也可怕得多， The original script was much darker and much more scary,
那家伙更像是一个在RadioShack工作的孤独的人。 and the guy was more of an isolated kind of loner who worked at RadioShack.
《战争游戏》让人们非常害怕 WarGames scared people so much
真的有电脑黑客被关进了监狱。 that there were actual computer hackers who were put in jail.
凯文·米特尼克被关进了监狱，而且不能使用付费电话 Kevin Mitnick was put in jail and not given access to a payphone
就因为某个白痴参议员相信他可以， because some idiot senator believed that he could,
用他的声音和公用电话，发射一枚核导弹。 using his voice and a pay phone, launch a nuclear missile.
你可以在今天观看《战争游戏》，特别是在今天， You can watch WarGames today, particularly today,
因为美国每25秒就会遭到俄罗斯特工的黑客攻击。 as the nation is being hacked by Russian operatives every 25 seconds.
那部电影看起来一点都不傻。 And that movie don't seem silly at all.
下一盘漂亮的象棋怎么样? How about a nice game of chess?
超人系列电影 The Superman movies
对我来说绝对是特别的。 are absolutely special to me.
克里斯托弗·里夫在这个角色上表现出色。 Christopher Reeve was so phenomenal in the part.
每次一部电影想要延续故事情节时，都会充满 Every time a franchise tries to carry the story on, it's fraught with
困难。 difficulty.
这将是最好的时光。 This time is going to be the best time of all.
《超人3》 Superman III encapsulates
一部电影里有这么多不同的类型。 so many different genres in one film.
哦，对不起。 Oh, I'm sorry.
这是理查德·普赖尔的喜剧作品。 It was a comedy vehicle for Richard Pryor.
这是一部动作冒险超人电影。 It was an action adventure Superman film.
它涉及到当代计算机技术。 It touched upon contemporary technology of computers.
言归正传。 Getting down to business.
理查德一直在 Richard had been in
玛戈特·基德演的《某种英雄》 Some Kind of Hero with Margot Kidder.
理查德得到了一个演话剧的机会扮演一名归来的越战老兵， Richard got a chance to do some drama playing a returned Vietnam vet,
他真的很希望自己能得到这个机会 and he really was hoping that he would get the chance
在《超人3》里做这样的事情。 to do something like that in Superman III.
但这不是他们想要他做的。 But that's not what they had in mind for him.
罗伯特·沃恩在影片中扮演反派角色 Robert Vaughn plays the villain in the film
让理查德·普赖尔的角色为他工作 and puts Richard Pryor's character to work for him.
我让你去杀一个超人。 I asked you to kill a Superman.
而你却告诉我你连这么简单的事都做不到。 And you're telling me you couldn't even do that one simple thing.
安妮特·奥图尔饰演拉娜·朗， Annette O'Toole playing Lana Lang,
他取代了露易丝·莱恩饰演的超人，克拉克在电影中的爱慕对象。 sort of replacing Lois Lane as Superman, Clark's love interest in the film.
露易丝，跟拉娜·朗打个招呼，史摩维尔送给大都会的最新礼物。 Lois, say hello to Lana Lang, Smallville's newest gift to Metropolis.
他们真的是在尝试 They were really trying to experiment
更深入地挖掘超人是谁。 and dig deeper into who Superman was.
电影的那部分说，是的，伙计，那很沉重，我不 The part of the movie of going, Yeah, man, that's heavy, I don't
我不知道你是怎么hold住的 I don't know how you hold
整个世界的重量和每个人的命运都掌握在你手中， the weight of the entire world and everyone's fate in your hands,
作为一个人，我不在乎你从太阳那里得到多少超级力量。 as one being, I don't care how much super strength you get from the sun.
总有一天你会崩溃的，对吧? Like, there's got to be a point where you break, right?
把它一分为二。 Literally break in two.
我们看到超人、克里斯·里夫、克拉克·肯特在与黑暗的自己斗争。 We see Superman, Chris Reeve, Clark Kent, battling his darker self.
对付他的恶魔，对付他的本性， Dealing with his demons, dealing with who he is,
应对超人的重量。 dealing with the weight of being Superman.
这是一种非常有趣的注入，一种不同的 It was a very interesting infusion of a different kind of
科幻成超级英雄电影。 sci fi into a superhero movie.
最后是一台巨大的超级计算机 A massive supercomputer at the end
这会产生一个生化人，这绝对是可怕的。 that produces a cyborg, which is absolutely terrifying.
电脑插进了她的怀里，基本上接管了她 The computer digging into her arms, basically taking over
把她变成了一个机器人， and turning her into a sort of robot android,
这是一个非常非常可怕的时刻。 it's a very, very scary moment.
如果你足够年轻，这可能会给你造成相当大的心理创伤。 If you're young enough, that could be pretty damn traumatizing.
很多人觉得真正的问题是第三个 A lot of folks felt that the real problem of the third
超人电影就是它根本没有生活在超人的宇宙里。 Superman film is that it did not live inside the Superman universe at all.
理查德·唐纳曾想要写一个剧本。 Richard Donner had wanted to and worked on a script.
它涉及了Brainiac, Mxyzptlk和其他各种角色 It involved Brainiac and Mxyzptlk and all sorts of other characters
从超人宇宙，包括超女的介绍。 from the Superman universe, including an introduction of Supergirl.
他们决定让理查德和超人成为朋友。 They came around to making Richard and Superman buds.
他们互相击掌 They kind of give each other five
在电影的结尾，这非常非常酷 at the end of the movie, which is very, very cool of Superman
回到过去。但电影本身并没有 back in the day. But the movie itself just really didn't
聚在一起。 come together.
超人三世, Superman III,
不是超人系列电影中最好的， not the best of the Superman films,
但比《超人4》好多了。 but it's better than Superman IV.
奇怪的入侵者 Strange Invaders
我喜欢《奇异入侵者》的剧本。 I love the script of Strange Invaders.
我一读它就爱上了它。 I fell in love with it the minute I read it.
比尔·康登是作者。 Bill Condon was the writer.
我一直认为比尔应该执导那部电影， I always thought that Bill should have directed that film,
他从来没有导演过电影。 and he had never directed.
如此聪明，如此有趣。 So clever, so fun.
你知道，50年代的科幻电影，那些小点头 You know, a great send up of '50s sci fi films, those little nods
电影都写在剧本里了。 to films were really right there in the script.
我要你看着他们，如果你发现了什么，告诉我 I want you to look at them and tell me if you see anything
这让你想起昨晚看到的怪物。 that reminds you of the creature you saw last night.
斯皮尔伯格的照片，你知道，这是一个外星人，那真的是我最喜欢的。 The picture of Spielberg, you know, is this an alien, that's really my favorite.
对不起，毕格罗先生，我们开个小玩笑。 I'm sorry, Mr. Bigelow, just a little joke we have around here.
这是一部不太把自己当回事的电影。 It's a film that doesn't take itself too seriously.
据我们所知，1958年以后那个镇上就没人住过了。 According to what we have, no one has lived in that town since 1958.
我相信对保罗·勒马特来说这可能是最大的挑战。 I do believe that for Paul Le Mat it was probably the greatest challenge.
那个特殊的角色，我不认为它一定是什么 That particular role, I don't think it was necessarily something
他很舒服地陷进去了， that he fell into very comfortably,
但我们带他一起来了。 but we brought him along for the ride.
但我是个科学家，我知道我看到了什么。 But I'm a scientist, I know what I saw.
我喜欢我的角色。 I loved my character.
你知道，抽着烟，看着垃圾报纸。 You know, smoking the cigarettes and with a trashy newspaper.
双头狗，也许吧。但是外星人已经过时了。 Two-headed dogs, maybe. But Aliens are passe.
她很有趣，因为这个角色真的没有界限。 She's fun because there's really no boundaries with this character.
我的公寓里有个外星人把我的汤都喝光了。 And there was an alien in my apartment who gobbled up my soup.
这听起来很荒谬。 It sounds ridiculous.
这是一场毫无顾忌的比赛。 It was a kind of a no holds barred set.
我的意思是，如果你愿意的话，真的没有太多的方向。 I mean, there really wasn't a lot of direction, if you will.
所有这些优秀的演员都聚在了一起 All of those wonderful actors that were thrown together
真的明白了，而且玩得很开心。 really got it and had a good time with it.
华莱士·肖恩很兴奋因为他还没做过 Wallace Shawn, he was so excited because he hadn't really done
任何表演，这就是他，这位伟大的剧作家。 any acting, and here he is, this great playwright.
他想做的就是表演，他太激动了。 All he wanted to do was act, he was so thrilled.
他说:“我不敢相信我在这里演这部电影。” He said, "I can't believe I'm here acting in this movie."
他愿意做任何事，只为寻找下一个机会? He was willing to do anything, looking for the next shot, you know?
有趣的是，对我来说 The funny thing is for me that
肯尼斯·托比疯狂迷恋戴安娜·斯卡维德。 Kenneth Tobey had a wild crush on Diana Scarwid.
这可能比原本应该的更有趣。 It was probably more fun than it should have been.
那部电影让我心碎，因为尽管人们喜欢它 That film, for me is a heartbreak, because even though people like it
并享受它，我确实觉得 and enjoy it, I do feel like
我知道换一个导演会怎么样。 I know what it could have been with a different director.
它确实有一种非常轻松的调子 It does have a very lighthearted tone
与恐怖的外星人妆容形成鲜明对比。 contrasted with really scary alien makeup.
它做得非常好。 It was done really well.
我记得当我看到它的时候，我真的被震撼了 I remember being really impressed and stunned when I saw it
因为他们在这部电影上没有预算。 because they had no budget on this film.
这确实吓到你了， That does scare you,
但最主要的是你玩得很开心。 but mostly you're really having fun.
在80年代早期，有一个奇妙的爆炸 In the early '80s, there was this wonderful explosion
充满想象力，野心勃勃的科幻小说。 of highly imaginative, highly ambitious science fiction.
突然之间，各种各样的故事都让人望而却步，因为 Suddenly, all sorts of stories that were prohibitive because
从技术上来说，这是不可能的，现在突然变成可能了。 technologically they weren't possible, were suddenly possible now.
《星球大战》做了什么， What Star Wars did,
不仅是视觉效果，还有乔治的手法 both in terms of the visual effects, but also George's approach
讲故事的方面。 to the storytelling aspect of it.
它打开了类型电影的大门吗 Was it opened up the door for genre films
以前人们不敢做的事。 that people had been afraid to make before.
它是由故事驱动的， It's driven by the story,
我们的工具可以完成一定程度的加工， the tools that we had were capable of certain levels of finish,
这是对幻觉的艺术诠释 and then it was an artistic interpretation of how the illusion
会融入更大的故事，这非常关键。 was going to fit into the bigger story, which was really critical.
有一种真实的感觉 There's something about the real feel
你看到的东西把你带入其中。 of the thing and seeing it that brings you into it.
如果你把它看作是一种视觉效果，但它并不奏效， If you look at it as something that's a visual effect and it doesn't quite work,
你出局了。 you're out of it.
当它起作用时，它就真的起作用了。 When it works, it really does work.
在工业光魔做视觉效果主管 The job of a visual effects supervisor at ILM
就是要能够实现导演的愿景。 is to be able to fulfill the vision of the director.
还有特效主管 Also, the effects supervisor
应该为电影做点贡献， should contribute something to the film if they can,
如果不是不合适的话，那可能是导演自己都不知道他可以这么做。 if it's not inappropriate, that possibly the director didn't even know he could do.
永远,永远 Always, always
首先是完成镜头的想法。 it starts with the idea of the finished shot.
我被完成的镜头所激励。 I'm motivated by the finished shot.
那些镜头太神奇了 The shots that are magic
都是有很好的设计的。 are the ones that have good design embodied in them.
《星际迷航2》星云之战 Star Trek II the battle in the Nebula
都是在工业光魔的云罐里拍的。 that was all shot in cloud tanks here at ILM.
美丽的味道在那里被展示 Beautiful taste is being exhibited there with compositions of
飞船在哪里，镜头设计，它们是怎么发光的，云是怎么旋转的。 where the ships are, the shot designs, how they're lit, how the clouds swirl.
这是最漂亮的作品之一 That's just some of the most beautiful work
光魔做过的最好的工作。 that ILM's ever done.
微型模型被定义为 Miniatures were defined to
一定程度上取决于它们的使用方式。 a certain extent by how they had to be used.
如果你看看歼星舰，不管它的规模，模型都是 If you look at the Star Destroyer, scale notwithstanding, the model had to be
难以置信地细致到能经得起考验 incredibly highly detailed to stand up to that
有点微距摄影。 kind of macro photography.
当我们开始炸东西的时候， And when we started blowing stuff up,
我们必须建造一个更大的规模 we had to build things in a little bit larger scale
这样我们就能以高速摄影的速度拍摄它们。 so that we could photograph them at high speed photographic rates.
模型越大， The bigger the model,
爆炸的规模就越大 the more properly scaled the explosion
看起来是这样。 appeared to be.
每种光学复合材料 Every optical composite
是一场表演。我们以前是这么说的 was a performance. The way that we used to put
一堆宇宙飞船的镜头，你不是一次拍完的。 together a shot of a bunch of spaceships, you didn't shoot them all at once.
你一次杀了他们一个。 You shot them one at a time.
《绝地归来》里有一个非常了不起的镜头， There's a really remarkable shot in Return of the Jedi,
这是值得注意的大量的独立 and it's remarkable for the huge number of separately
拍摄的宇宙飞船都在那里。 photographed spaceships that are all in there.
这是一个令人惊叹的时刻。 It was intended to be a wow moment.
它真的做到了。 And it really accomplished that.
当你想到机械上的复杂性时，你会感到不知所措 It's kind of overwhelming when you think about the mechanical complexity
所有这些单独拍摄的元素。 of all those separately photographed elements.
打破障碍的思维过程 The thought process that goes in to breaking down the barriers
这个分量，那个分量，怎么做呢。 that we have for this component, that component, and how do you do this.
它们很强壮。 Those are strong.
我们想出了这个 We came up with this
一个叫做Go Motion的系统，有点像个笑话。 system called Go Motion, which is kind of a joke.
我们不知道该怎么称呼它，所以我们称它为定格运动的反义词。 We didn't know what to call it, so we called it the opposite of stop motion.
我们第一次使用Go Motion是在Tauntaun上，它非常有效。 The first time we used Go Motion was on the Tauntaun, and it totally worked.
那东西模糊了。 It gave a blur to the thing.
这很有效。 That was effective.
在《屠龙者》中，我们进一步开发了它。 Then on Dragonslayer, we developed it further.
当伊渥克人打滚的时候，绝地武士用两条腿的行尸 In Jedi with the two legged Walker, when the Ewoks rolled
下山的原木，Go Motion允许我 the logs down the hill, Go Motion allowed me
要做到这一点。 to do that.
这真的很复杂。 And that was really complicated.
你进入状态。 You get into the zone.
你知道，这是一种把世界拒之门外的冥想 You know, it's a form of meditation to shut the world out
进入状态，你知道的，做它告诉你的。 and be in the zone, you know, and do it, do what it tells you.
我路过的时候，非常安静。 I'm walking by and it's shh, very quiet.
镜头前的应该是丹尼斯·穆伦。 It'd be Dennis Muren at the camera.
点击。 Click.
然后所有的舱门都打开了 And then all these hatches opened up
Jon Burge和Phil Tippett走了出来， and out came Jon Burge and Phil Tippett,
然后轻轻地移动它然后从舱口消失。 and then move it ever so slightly and then disappear down the hatch.
点击。 Click.
哑光油漆, Matte painting,
作为一种通过绘画来增加布景的方式， as a way of adding on to a set by painting,
例如，在一块玻璃上。 for example, on a piece of glass.
它不仅可以节省预算， Not only is it a budget saving device,
这是一个提升自己的机会。 it's an opportunity to enhance.
你在做的事情应该是 You're working on something that is supposed to be
看不见的。 invisible.
我当时在拍《捉鬼敢死队2》，我对自己说 Ghostbusters II is the film I was working on, where I said to myself
最后，我们真的到了传统视觉效果的尽头。 at the end of this, we've really reached the end of traditional visual effects.
我们不能再这样下去了。 We can't keep doing it this way.
这些想法比我们现有的工具箱要大得多。 The ideas are getting bigger than the toolbox we have.
幸运的是，在工业光魔，我们有一个计算机小组 Fortunately, in ILM, we had a computer group
从事计算机图形的工作，我就投身其中了。 that had been working on computer graphics and I had jumped into that.
我和他们一起演了《少年福尔摩斯》 I did Young Sherlock Holmes with them.
这向我证明了这就是未来。 That really proved to me that this is the future.
技术的发展需要更多的时间， It needed more time for the technology,
硬件和软件都要达到这个水平 both the hardware and the software to get up to the level
我们可以让它成为一种高效的工具， where we can actually make it a productive tool,
我们在吉姆·卡梅隆的电影《深渊》中又做了一次实验。 which we experimented again with on The Abyss, Jim Cameron's film.
水维尼是我们敬礼的方式 Water Weenie is the way that we respectfully
谈过了。 talked about it.
看到像Tron这样的东西 Seeing things like Tron
和《最后的星际战斗机》，我以为计算机图形技术会出现。 and Last Starfighter, I thought computer graphics is coming.
它还没完全准备好，但值得注意。 It's not quite ready, but something to keep your eye on.
《最后的星际战斗机》使用了数字特效。 The Last Starfighter used digital effects.
它是第一家在整部电影中使用它的公司。 It was the first one to use it for the entire film.
当你现在回头看的时候，你会发现有一些成长的烦恼 When you look back at it now, there are some really some growing pains
你可以看到在什么地方没有那么有效 and you can see where things were not as effective
如果你有模特就会这样。你不知道会不会成功。 as it would have been if you got models. You didn't know if it was going to work.
所以这是一场赌博。 So it was a gamble.
这是一个很好的例子 It's a good example
CGI技术的开端 of the beginnings of CGI.
我哥哥杰夫是一名视觉效果主管， My brother, Jeff, is a visual effects supervisor,
他在《创战记》里做Bit and he worked on Tron doing the Bit.
所以他是最早的CGI艺术家之一，后来 So he was one of the first CGI artists, and later
我和他一起在《航海家之旅》中工作，他帮助了我 I worked with him on Flight of the Navigator, where he helped me
设计了飞船变形和反射率映射。 design the spaceship morphing and reflectance mapping.
这是飞船的飞行版本。 This is the flying version of the ship.
后面是飞船的悬停版。 And behind there is the hovering version of the ship.
这是一个maquette，意思是我们拿起一台电脑，然后触摸它 It was a maquette, meaning that we took a computer and we touched it
沿着这里做线架 all along here to create the wire frame
然后用它来包裹背景。 that was then used to wrap the backgrounds on.
在卢卡斯影业的电脑部门被出售为皮克斯之后不久， Shortly after the Lucasfilm computer division had been sold off as Pixar,
我们看到这项技术有很大的价值，它有巨大的 we saw that there was a lot of value in that tech and that this had a big
未来的视觉效果。 future in visual effects.
《星际迷航4》的幻觉场景 Star Trek IV, that hallucination scene was just about
工业光魔计算机图形部门的第一次尝试。 the first foray of the ILM computer graphics department.
在80年代早期，这对我来说一直是一根胡萝卜和承诺 And that was always the carrot for me and the promise back in the early '80s
这就是它能做的，你知道，我们在那里， that this is what it could do, you know, and we're there,
但它发展得太快了，我认为还没有得到足够的认可 but it moved too quick, and I think there hasn't been enough recognition
它需要适应不完美的现实世界。 that it needs to fit within the imperfect world of reality.
"但我能让它变得完美"你知道的。 "But I can make it perfect", you know.
不，不要让它变得完美。 No, don't make it perfect.
有时候理解这些限制 Sometimes understanding those limitations
成为捕捉一种感觉的关键。 becomes key to capturing a feeling.
80年代是一个充满勇气的时代。 The '80s represents an era of a lot of bravery.
电影制作人在推广新技术，尝试新事物。 The filmmakers were pushing new techniques, trying new things.
有些方法很有效，有些则不然。 Some of them worked great and some of them didn't.
他们中的一些人在今天确实显示了他们的年龄，但也有一些奇妙的东西 Some of them really show their age today, but there's something kind of wonderful
关于这一点，他们对将要尝试的事情无所畏惧。 about that, that they were fearless about the things that they would try.
《星际迷航3:寻找斯波克》 Star Trek III: The Search For Spock.
冒险还在继续。 The adventure continues.
我相信贯穿始终的主题 I believe that the major theme that runs through
《星际迷航3》是一部关于家庭和牺牲的影片。 Star Trek III is one of family and sacrifice.
敬老朋友。 To old friends.
如果算上斯波克，那七个人都熬过去了 If you count Spock, the seven people have been through
他们一起经历了那么多，一起面对死亡。 so much together and they've faced down death together.
我们现在处在一个必须做出决定的时刻 We are now at a point where a decision that has to be
会让他们付出高昂的代价。 made is going to cost them dearly.
如果史波克有可能拥有永恒的灵魂， If there's even a chance that Spock has an eternal soul,
那就是我的责任了。 Then it's my responsibility.
你的吗? Yours?
尤其是柯克， Kirk, in particular,
不得不在拍摄过程中做出巨大牺牲。 has to make tremendous sacrifices during this film.
天啊，骨头……我做了什么? My God, Bones... What have I done?
克里斯托弗·劳埃德 Christopher Lloyd
作为克林贡人的指挥官是一个有趣的选角。 as the Klingon commander is an interesting casting choice.
你，告诉我这个秘密 You, will tell me the secret
创世纪鱼雷。 of the Genesis torpedo.
他完全沉浸在那个角色中。 He just sinks himself right into that role.
他咀嚼风景和威廉·夏特纳一样好。 He chews scenery just as well as William Shatner does.
你这个傻瓜!看看你的周围!这个星球在自我毁灭! You fool! Look around you! The planet's destroying itself!
是的!令人振奋，不是吗? Yes! Exhilarating, isn't it?
你知道从吉姆牧师到现在他是一个多么多才多艺的演员 You realize just how versatile an actor he was to go from Reverend Jim
然后，你知道，一年后，他在《回到未来》里。 to this, and then, you know, a year later, he's in Back to the Future.
莱纳德，他把斯波克放在心上。 Leonard, he took Spock to heart.
我是说，真的，真的把他放在心上了。 I mean, really, really took him to heart.
只要他一声令下经过那扇门 As soon as he passed that gate with the word
上面写着派拉蒙，他就成了斯波克先生。 Paramount scrawled on top of it, he became Mr. Spock.
斯波克给伦纳德·尼莫伊带来了很多机会。 Spock brought a lot of opportunity to Leonard Nimoy.
这是毫无疑问的。 There's no doubt about it.
但他需要斯波克吗?不。 But does he need Spock? No.
当《星际迷航3》上映时， When Star Trek III came along,
我认为 I think
他非常愿意离开，除非他有更多的东西 he was more than willing to walk away unless he had something more
很有挑战性，很直接。 challenging to do, which was direct.
我记得迈克尔·艾斯纳想跟我说话 What I recall is Michael Eisner trying to talk
莱纳德放弃了自己的导演生涯，开始了他的导演处女作。 Leonard out of directing himself, making his directing debut.
莱纳德打电话给我，我说"你准备好了吗 Leonard's calling me up and I said, "Are you prepared
“让船在没有你的情况下起航?” "to let the ship sail without you?"
他说:“当然。” And he said, "Absolutely."
我说:“那就坐好，你来导演这部电影。” I said, "Then sit tight, you're going to direct the movie."
如果他说他不演电影的话 If he says he's not going to be in the movie
除非他是导演，否则他就是导演。 unless he gets to direct it, he'll get to direct it.
句号，结束。 Period, the end.
斯波克是关键人物。 Spock is the linchpin of it.
他会反复对我说:“电影公司真的只懂 He would say to me repeatedly, "The studio really only understands
"一颗2乘4的子弹击中头部" "a two by four to the head."
他们所理解的是筹码，而他有筹码。 What they understand is leverage, and he had leverage.
他们意识到他们的票房会更大 They realized that their box office is going to be bigger
如果史波克出现在电影里。 if Spock appears in the film.
他们一直盯着他。 They kept the thumbscrews on him.
杰夫·卡曾伯格(Jeff Katzenberg)每天都要回头看，以确保自己准时到达 Jeff Katzenberg looked over his shoulder every day to make sure he was on time
还有预算。 and on budget.
事实是，他没有其他经验 The fact is, he had no experience other
而不是导演一些电视剧，包括《T.J.胡克》， than directing some episodes of TV, including T.J. Hooker,
除此之外，他还是个新手。 you know, other than that, he was a neophyte.
我不知道我们要面对什么。 I didn't know what we were in for.
莱纳德导演的疏忽 Leonard directed by omission,
如果他什么都没说，也没关系 if he didn't say anything, it was fine
当我想到这个的时候 when I got that through my head,
我感觉没那么被忽视了。 I felt less neglected.
很好。更多,更多。他快死了。死亡。 Good. More, more. He is dying. Dying.
我们对他很有信心，我觉得他知道自己在做什么， We had confidence in him, I felt that he knew what he was doing,
他很有品味，他对故事的感觉很好。 he had taste, his story sense was quite good.
他就是那个把东西准备得死死的人。 He's the guy who prepped things to death.
你要尽可能多地处理变量 You try to deal with as many variables
尽可能在前期制作过程中 as possible during the pre-production process
所以当你投入生产时，一切都很顺利。 so that when you're in production, things hopefully run smoothly.
所以你才会有这些快乐的意外。 So much so that you can have these happy accidents.
电影制作真的，很多时候就是整天都在处理问题。 Film-making is really, a lot of it is just dealing with problems all day long.
它的故事, It's story,
是故事，总是故事， it's story, it's always story,
首先也是最重要的。 first and foremost.
你救了这艘船。 You saved the ship.
你救了我们所有人。 You saved us all.
你不记得了吗? Don't you remember?
真的，真的 The really, really
叛逆，凭直觉的70年代疯狂喜剧 renegade, seat of your pants crazy comedy of the '70s
进入了斯皮尔伯格式的主流科幻电影。 found its way into like a big mainstream sci fi Spielbergian thing.
准备好了吗? Ready?
捉鬼敢死队。 Ghostbusters.
你得到了这个 You've got this
有点像庸俗的纽约故事，但后来 sort of rag tag New York story, but then into it,
你有这种极其科学的，科技的， you have this extremely sci fi, techy,
超自然的，疯狂的东西，而且成功了。 supernatural, insane thing, and it worked.
得到她! Get her!
行动! Action!
我刚和比尔·默里合作过《条纹》还有哈罗德。 I just worked with Bill Murray on Stripes, and Harold as well.
结果很好。 And that turned out well.
这是事实，杰克! That's the fact, Jack!
我的经纪人，迈克尔·奥维茨，当时派我来的 My agent, Michael Ovitz, at that time, sent me
Dan Aykroyd写的80页的治疗。 this sort of 80 page treatment that Dan Aykroyd had written.
他最初是为贝鲁希和他自己写的。 He had written it originally for Belushi and himself.
我想他曾经和艾迪·墨菲说过话 I think he had spoken to Eddie Murphy at some time
关于如何处理他。 about doing with him.
故事发生在未来，有很多 It was set in the future, There were multiple
各个星球上的捉鬼小组。 ghost busting groups on various planets.
他们互相竞争。 And they competed with each other.
这些团体，他们像消防员一样工作。他们的目的是消灭宇宙 These groups, they worked like firemen. Their purpose was to rid the universe
幽灵或怪物。 of ghosts or monsters.
我说，“看， I said, "Look,
“它有很棒的想法，但几乎不可能实现。 "it has this great idea in it, but it's almost impossible to make.
“我认为这应该在今天发生 "I think it should happen today
“我认为这应该发生在像纽约这样的大城市。” "and I think it should happen in a big city like New York."
《捉鬼敢死队》的故事是我写的。 I really pitched the story of Ghostbusters.
我们的员工彬彬有礼，效率高，随时待命 Our courteous and efficient staff is on call
一天24小时，满足你消除超自然力量的所有需求。 24 hours a day to serve all your supernatural elimination needs.
我们准备好相信你了! We're ready to believe you!
当演员们在片场穿着戏服以他们最好的方式投入其中时， When the actors are really in their finest, most involved way on the set, in costume,
他们可以是最有创造力的，也可以找到一些独特的方式 they can be the most creative as well to find some unique way
也许能找到新的线索。 of maybe finding a fresh spin on it.
它是有指导的，同时也是免费的 It's directed and free at the same time, and there was
只要尽量少说几句话就可以了 I could by just using as few words
尽可能地打断即兴表演，重新集中注意力 as possible, interrupt the improvisation and refocus things
这样讲故事的过程才有意义 so that the storytelling made sense in the context of everything else
无论是从性格，还是从意图和语气上。 in terms of character and in terms of intent and tone.
所以事情不只是愚蠢的。 And so that things weren't just silly.
没有戴娜，只有祖尔! There is no Dana, only Zuul!
你的歌声一定很好听。 What a lovely singing voice you must have.
寻找喜剧 And just look for comedy
在现实的情况下。 in the reality of the situation.
我们来了，我们看到了，我们打败了它! We came, we saw, we kicked its ass!
归根结底是捉鬼敢死队自己， It really boils down to the Ghostbusters themselves,
它是迷人的 it's charming
Dan Aykroyd滑了下来 when Dan Aykroyd slides down
当他们第一次看到这个破败的消防站的时候。 that fire pole, when they first go see this dilapidated firehouse.
哇!这地方太棒了! Wow! This place is great!
他们都是大孩子。 They're all big kids.
我们今晚应该呆在这里!睡在这里。你知道，试一试。 We should stay here, tonight! Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
太疯狂了，太精彩了，他们玩得很开心 It's so crazy and wonderful, and they're having such a blast
这就会直接影响到我们。 and that just spills right over to us.
这是比尔·默里完美的电影 It's the perfect Bill Murray movie
那种只有比尔·默里才有的懒散的愚蠢。 that laid back goofiness that only Bill Murray has.
我带巴雷特小姐回她的公寓检查一下。 I'll take Miss Barrett back to her apartment and check her out.
我去看看巴雷特小姐的公寓。 I'll go check out Miss Barrett's apartment.
我认为厄尼的加入，在很多方面都很特别。 The addition of Ernie, I think, was really special in a lot of ways.
如果能有稳定的收入，我相信你说的一切。 If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.
厄尼把外人带进了人群 Ernie brought in the outsiders to people
感觉不太像捉鬼敢死队，你知道吗? that didn't really feel like a Ghostbuster, you know?
它将是一个35英尺长，重约600磅的奶油蛋糕 it would be a Twinkie… 35 feet long, weighing approximately 600 pounds
那是一个很大的奶油蛋糕。 That's a big Twinkie.
我觉得我很幸运 I think I was very fortunate
拍受欢迎的电影 to be making popular movies
在这个时代，一个导演权力的时代，我们不太 in this era, an era of directorial power which we didn't really quite
在此之前担任董事，当然 have as directors prior to it and certainly
在它。 after it.
这是棉花糖人。 It's The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
我的电影, My films,
它们几乎有一种独特的情感，让你感觉很好。 they almost uniquely have a kind of emotionality that made you feel good.
正是这种积极的态度让我们有了重复观看的机会。 It's the positiveness that made for repeat viewing.
让这个史前贱人看看我们在城里是怎么办事的。 Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown.
最后的星际战斗机。 The Last Starfighter.
《最后的星际战斗机》是关于一个男孩的故事 The Last Starfighter is about a boy
在拖车公园里玩电子游戏的人。 in a trailer park who is really good at a video game.
是啊! Yeah!
结果是 It turns out to be an
实际招聘工具。 actual recruitment tool.
啊哈!向宇宙发送的测试 Aha! A test sent out across the universe
去寻找那些有天赋成为星际战士的人。 to find those with the gift to be starfighters.
这是一个完美的幻想 It's the perfect fantasy
如果你玩电子游戏。 if you play video games.
这是一个天才的主意，事实上没有人想到它 It was a genius idea, the fact that nobody came up with it
在那之前，是很神奇的。 before that, is kind of amazing.
你被明星联盟招募来保卫 You were recruited by the star league to defend -
保卫边境，抵抗旭尔和科丹舰队。 to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan armada.
虽然大部分都发生在外太空， Although most of it takes place in outer space,
这里面有一种很接地气的元素。 there's such a down to earth element about it.
导演尼克·卡塞尔(Nick Castle)想要注入它 Nick Castle, the director, wanted to imbue it
有一种卡普拉式的品质。 with a sort of a Capra-esque sort of quality.
我在抖这破玩意儿上的灰尘 I'm shaking the dust of this crummy
离开我的小镇，我要去看世界! little town off my feet and I'm gonna see the world!
算了吧，伙计。我在为我的人生做点什么。 Forget it, man. I'm doing something with my life.
他有个女朋友， He has this girlfriend,
他有做更大的事情的梦想和他所有的梦想 he has dreams of doing bigger things and all his dreams
继续失败。 keep falling through.
还是和你的朋友去城市大学吧。 Still go to city college with your friends.
在这种不可思议的情况出现之前， Until this incredible situation comes along,
他几乎没有利用这一点。 and he almost doesn't take advantage of it.
听着,半人马座。我不是他们中的任何一个，我是一个来自拖车公园的孩子。 Listen, Centauri. I'm not any of those guys, I'm a kid from a trailer park.
那是你的想法!那你就永远都是这样了。 That's what you think! Then that's all you'll ever be.
罗伯特·普雷斯顿，音乐家，外太空的音乐家。 Robert Preston, The Music Man, The Music Man in outer space.
"麻烦"是大写T，和P押韵， Trouble with a capital T, and that rhymes with P,
它代表Pool。 and that stands for Pool.
当我们知道他会这么做的时候，我们都非常高兴。 When we found out that he would do it, we were just so happy.
半人马座! Centauri!
非常健壮的家伙。像烟囱一样抽烟， Very robust fellow. Smoked like a chimney,
但他有一副好嗓子。 but he had that great voice.
向我的助手贝塔问好。 Say hello to my assistant, Beta.
你好。 Howdy.
我有机会和两个亚历克斯合作，我很幸运。 I did get to act with two Alex's, lucky me.
我是最先进的，最顶尖的测试单位， I'm a state of the art, top of the line beta unit,
放在这里，作为你不在时的代用品。 put here as a courtesy replacement for while you are away.
他真是笨得可笑。 He's just comically inept.
这就是为什么玩它很有趣，因为你可以 That's why it was fun to play, because you can
把自己置身于一个全新的环境中。 just put yourself in that position where everything is brand new.
没有什么是正常的。 Nothing is normal.
丹'Herlihy阿。 Dan O'Herlihy.
他同意扮演格里格。 He agreed to play Grig.
格里格，那只热情的鬣蜥? Grig, the gung-ho iguana?
他永远不会被看到。总会有 He would never be seen. There would always be
他头上戴着一个巨大的假面具。 this prosthetic giant mask over him.
他的手势要比平时多出三倍。 He had to triple what he would normally do in terms of gestures.
啊，现在你看起来很可爱! Ah, now you look cute!
我从未见过他 I never saw him
不像蜥蜴人，而且他的长相很出众， not looking like lizard man, and he's very distinguished looking,
一个白头发蓝眼睛的爱尔兰人，你知道，但我就是不知道 you know, white haired, blue eyed Irish guy, you know, and I just didn't
我不知道他长什么样。 I didn't really know what he looked like.
你好! How do you do?
他这样做…… He does this like...
我出演了《最后的星际战士》 I was cast in Last Starfighter
扮演路易斯的朋友 playing a role called Lewis's Friend.
飞船着陆，把亚历克斯送回拖车公园 Spaceship lands to return Alex to the trailer park
我说:“外星人，太棒了!” and I go, "Aliens, awesome!"
我的天啊! Oh, my God!
他们在电影开拍前就把那一幕剪掉了， They cut that scene from the movie before it was ever filmed,
但我已经做了很多特别的额外工作，所以每年 but I had already done a bunch of featured extra work, so every year
我从《最后的星际战斗机》中获得了几百美元作为剩余报酬 I get a couple of hundred bucks from The Last Starfighter as a residual payment
我能参与一部电影，作为一个粉丝，我小时候非常喜欢这部电影。 and I get to be part of a movie that, as a fan, I was crazy about as a kid.
你在开玩笑吗? Are you kidding me?
我不知道 I was not aware
因为CGI产生的压力 of the amount of pressure because of the CGI,
周围的紧张气氛，天哪，这到底行不行? the tension it was surrounding, Oh my God, is this going to work or not?
这可能是一个巨大的失败。 This may be a colossal failure.
死亡之花序列的最后， The very end of the death blossom sequence,
当我坐在笼子里的时候，感觉就像狂欢节一样。 when I sat in a cage, it was like a carnival ride.
我大概能做两个，然后我就…… And I could do about two of them and then I was like...
这部电影上映时没有赚到钱， The movie didn't make any money when it came out,
只有在VHS或HBO上看到它的人。 it was only the people that saw it on VHS or HBO.
有人告诉我《最后的星际战斗机》是录像带租赁市场的第一名。 Someone told me that Last Starfighter was number one in video rentals.
感谢上帝的科学，为人们创造了另一条道路 Thank God for science, creating another avenue for people
去看它，享受它。 to see it and enjoy it.
这就是这部电影的主题， That's what the movie's about,
可能性是未知的， the possibilities are unknown,
但他们就在那里，你要做的就是找到他们 but are out there, and all you have to do is find them
然后紧紧抓住，去兜风。 and then hold on tight and go for the ride.
真的，无法用语言来形容Buckaroo Banzai是什么。 No words, really, for what Buckaroo Banzai is.
让我们开始吧! Let's rock and roll!
我能告诉你故事情节吗? Could I really tell you the storyline?
我不确定。 I'm not sure.
巴卡鲁·班扎，你能解释一下吗? Buckaroo Banzai, perhaps you can explain yourself?
你一定要知道这部电影讲的是什么， Do you have to know what the film is about,
即使你是主演? even if you starred in it?
Buckaroo Banzai是一部电影 Buckaroo Banzai is a film
直到今天，我也不明白。如果你能告诉我是什么事， that to this day, I do not understand. If you can tell me what it's about,
我给你钱。 I'll give you money.
他什么都能做。 He was able to do everything.
他就像个科学家，摇滚明星，武士。 He was like a scientist, a rock star, a samurai warrior.
没有任何限制。 No limitations whatsoever.
只是一个关于一群科学家的有趣的虚构故事 Just a fun imaginary story about a group of scientists
玩摇滚，你知道的，无视物理定律。 that play rock and roll and, you know, defy the laws of physics.
是喜剧、科幻还是动作片? Is it a comedy, is it sci fi, is it action?
这是一种社会讽刺吗? Is it a social satire?
这是一个爱情故事吗?这是浪漫吗? Is it a love story? Is it romance?
是什么?它不会用勺子喂你任何东西。 What is it? And it doesn't spoon feed you anything.
它会把你扔进这个混乱疯狂的世界。 It just throws you in the middle of this haywire crazy world.
这是一艘由里希特驾驶的船。 It was a ship that was being steered by Richter.
里希特和麦克总是在一起祈祷。 Richter and Mac would always powwow.
对他们来说，这是有道理的。 To them, it made sense.
皮下麦克风可以让 Subcutaneous microphones are gonna allow the
病人将口头指令传送到自己的大脑。 patient to transmit verbal instructions to his own brain.
我们必须知道的 All we had to know
我们必须表现得好像这对我们来说是有意义的，对吗? is that we had to act like it made sense to us, right?
它们是什么? What are they?
来自十号行星的八维电子。 Lectroids from Planet 10 by way of the the eighth dimension.
我想我要做一个被疯子包围的干巴巴直男了。 I guess I'm going to be the dry, straight man surrounded by lunatics.
我很开心地看着彼得经历这个过程， I had great fun watching Peter go through his process,
和艾伦一起看她的 and Ellen go through hers,
Jeff Goldblum非常出色 and Jeff Goldblum just brilliantly
把他演的每一场戏都抢了。 stealing every scene that he was in.
我们都对杰夫的滑稽行为忍无可忍，只是乐在其中 We all gave up to Jeff's antics and just enjoyed them
而不是试图和他们竞争，因为你不能，你赢不了。 rather than try to compete with them, because you couldn't, you couldn't win.
你知道吗，我以为你要排练什么的。 You know, I thought you were gonna rehearse or something.
香港骑士队。 The Hong Kong Cavaliers.
比利·维拉和击鼓手乐队是那场演出的音乐中心。 Billy Vera and The Beaters were kind of the musical center of that show.
那真的是香港骑士乐队。 That was really the Hong Kong Cavalier band.
彼得带来了短号，因为他会演奏。 Peter brought in the cornet because he could play.
它非常好用。 It works perfectly.
杰夫·高布伦和我在那之后组建了一个乐队。 Jeff Goldblum and I got a band together after that.
事实上，我得离开这里去吹小号了。 Matter of fact I've got to leave right here and go play the trumpet.
邪恶!来自第八维度的纯粹和简单! Evil! Pure and simple from the eighth dimension!
我有特技表演的特殊能力， I had special abilities to do stunts and things,
所以他们问我是否想成为一个电极。 and so they asked me if I wanted to be a lectroid.
约翰·沃芬毁灭了。 John Whorfin Destroyed.
约翰·利思高也是一位热情的演员， John Lithgow is also an intense actor,
但他也很傻。 but he's also very silly.
当然是我，你这个傻瓜。你以为是谁? Of course it's me, you fool. Who'd you think?
我想他觉得利扎尔多是一种解脱， I think he found Lizardo to be liberating,
考虑到他作为奥斯卡提名者的重要性。 given the gravity that had been laid on him as an Oscar nominee.
约翰·利思高，《加普眼中的世界》。 John Lithgow, in The World According to Garp.
他只是玩得很开心。 He was just having a good time.
我们要去哪里? Where are we going?
- 10号行星!——什么时候? - Planet 10! - When?
真正的很快! Real soon!
你把约翰·利思高和克里斯托弗·劳埃德放在一个房间里， You put John Lithgow and Christopher Lloyd in a room,
头脑无法想象行动的结果会是什么 the mind can't conceive of what the acting result would be
我本该被折磨的，而我却在歇斯底里地大笑。 I was supposed to be tortured, and all I'm doing is hysterically laughing.
我一想起那一幕就笑了。 I think of that scene now I crack up.
他们两个都是天才。 Those are two gifted human beings.
Bigboote。 Bigbooté.
激活探测器。 Activate your probes.
然后他们承诺会有续集，但续集永远不会出现。 And then they promise you a sequel, and the sequel never comes.
很多电影公司的老板都不知道该怎么做。 A lot of the studio bosses didn't know what to make of it.
这应该是一系列的电影，他们应该 It was supposed to be a series of movies and they were supposed to all
要轻松，滑稽，有点夸张。 be as lighthearted and antic and sort of over-the-top.
它现在会很适合， It would fit in so well right now,
那种另类的宇宙世界 that sort of alternative universe world
我认为现在的观众更适应了。 audiences now are more attuned, I think.
如果看着它继续下去，变得越来越奇怪，那一定很有趣。 It would have been fun to see it go on and get weirder and weirder.
我八岁的儿子看了，我说:“这是关于什么的?” My eight year old watched it, I said, "What's it about?"
他说:“谁在乎它是关于什么的?” He says, "Who cares what it's about?"
我们不需要关心它是关于什么的，对吧? We don't have to care what it's about, do we?
我想没有。 I guess not.
记住，无论你去哪里， Remember, no matter where you go,
给你。 There you are.
《终结者》是一部经典。 Terminator is a classic.
《终结者》。 The Terminator.
一开始，我就欣赏卡梅隆的电影制作。 Out of the gate, I appreciated Cameron's film-making.
这太令人满意了。 It was so satisfying.
你只是在看着这位极具天赋的电影人突然出现在舞台上 You're just watching this extremely talented filmmaker erupt onto the scene
你就会说，哦，我现在要看每一部电影 and you just go, oh, I'm going to now see every film
这个人会，因为他们显然非常优秀。 this person does because they're obviously really good.
今天星期几?日期! What day is it? The date!
5月12日星期四。 12th, May, Thursday.
哪年? ! What year?!
它走了，太完美了。 It goes and it's just perfect.
你不能这么做。 You can't do that.
错了。 Wrong.
《终结者》的剪辑给了我很大的启发， I was very inspired by the editing of Terminator,
终结者的速度，终结者的残酷。 the speed of Terminator, the harshness of Terminator.
剧本是这部电影的一个极好的蓝图。 The script was an excellent blueprint for the movie.
它有推进力，有神秘感，有湮灭感，有悬念， It had propulsion, mystery, annihilation, suspense,
浪漫，时间旅行。 romance, time travel.
一切都在那里。 It was all there.
如果你想活命就跟我来。 Come with me if you want to live.
因为在一场枪战中，所有人都在逃跑。 Because the exposition is all on the run during a shootout.
我是里斯，被派来保护你的。 I'm Reese, assigned to protect you.
你是被解雇的目标。 You've been targeted for termination.
你就像在一场戏里生与死 You're like living and dying in a scene
说出背后的故事。 and getting out the back story.
这是未来的黑暗版本。 It was a dark version of the future.
我喜欢B级片那种颓废和肮脏的贫乏感 I loved the down and dirty spareness of a B movie
这是它的一个方面。 sort of aspect to it.
他希望拍出世界级的类型片 His hope was to make a world class genre picture
深受乔治·米勒的影响 heavily influenced by George Miller
除了他打破了所有障碍，发疯了。 other than the fact that he broke down all barriers and went gonzo.
吉姆有一个特定的愿景，他正在挑战极限。 Jim had a certain vision and he was pushing the envelope.
我们不是好莱坞在做同样的事情。 We weren't Hollywood redoing the same thing.
吉姆说:“不，不，不，我们可以走……在这里。” Jim was saying, "No, no, no, we can go... here."
在所有动作片段之间， In between all the action pieces,
有一些关于宿命论的高概念的讨论 there are some genuine high concept ideas that get discussed about predestination
还有你的命运，你在历史中扮演的角色。 and your fate and what role you play in history.
你说的是我还没做的事 You're talking about things that I haven't done yet
用过去时。快把我逼疯了。 in the past tense. It's driving me crazy.
电脑,一旦 Computers, once
它们会有知觉，人工智能会攻击我们。 they become sentient, artificial intelligence will turn on us.
技术本身会伪装成我们的样子 The technology itself will be bent back upon us in the guise
阿诺德·施瓦辛格用乌兹冲锋枪的照片 of Arnold Schwarzenegger with an Uzi.
兰斯·亨里克森是 Lance Henriksen was
吉姆最初是围着他画终结者概念草图的。 who Jim originally did his concept sketch of The Terminator around.
随着他的皮肤脱落，看到下面的骷髅。 With his skin coming away and seeing the skeleton underneath.
我相信兰斯没能出演终结者一定很失望， I'm sure Lance was very disappointed when he didn't get to play The Terminator,
但我无法想象那个角色没有阿诺德 but I can't imagine that character without Arnold
描绘它。 portraying it.
出去。 Get out.
终结者的头骨本身， The Terminator skull itself,
很多人不知道这个，它的维度已经到了 many people don't know this, the dimensions of it were arrived
把阿诺德的真人模型雕刻下来 at by taking a life cast of Arnold and then carving down
从他的五官到头骨都能装得下。 from his features down to a skull that would fit.
这些是阿诺德的牙齿。 And those are Arnold's teeth.
终结者有阿诺德·施瓦辛格的牙齿。 The Terminator has Arnold Schwarzenegger's teeth.
卡梅隆的重点是莎拉·康纳。 The point for Cameron was Sarah Connor.
他希望目标是他能想象到的最普通的人。 He wanted the target to be the most ordinary person he can imagine.
这几乎是希区柯克式的规则。 It's almost a Hitchcockian rule.
普通人。 The ordinary person.
在特殊情况下。 with Extraordinary circumstances.
这让你产生共鸣。 That's what makes you relate.
莎拉·康纳是一个普通的女服务员 Sarah Connor is an ordinary waitress
谁将生下未来的救世主。 who will give birth to the savior of the future.
这荣誉不是我要求的，我也不想要! I didn't ask for this honor, and I don't want it!
什么都可以! Any of it!
琳达·汉密尔顿和迈克尔·比恩的表演令人难以置信。 Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn's performance was incredible.
到最后他们俩在一起的时候，他们真是活该。 By the time the two of them got together at the end, they so deserved it.
显然你很清楚他们做爱的原因， You knew exactly why they were making love, obviously,
拯救世界，生下这个孩子。 to save the world, to have this child.
我穿越时间来找你，莎拉。 I came across time for you, Sarah.
我爱你。 I love you.
我一直都是。 I always have.
她也许能改变时间线 She may be able to change the timeline
她在台上，我们的未来就定了吗? that she's on, is our future determined?
在这个算法中我们有选择吗? Do we have a choice in this algorithm that we find ourselves in?
这里有一个伦理困境。 There is an ethical dilemma here.
我们得问问自己，为什么终结者会 We have to ask ourselves, why are the Terminators
想摆脱人类吗? trying to get rid of the humans?
未来的机器会成为环保主义者吗? Are the machines of the future going to be environmentalists?
因为如果是的话，我们最好非常害怕，因为我们 Because if they are, we better be very frightened because we're
没有做我们应该做的保护地球的工作。 not doing the job that we need to be doing to protect this planet.
他们可能视我们为威胁，想除掉我们。 And they may see us as a threat and want to take us out.
我会回来的。 I'll be back.
《2010》改编自阿瑟·c·克拉克的小说《2010奥德赛2》， 2010 is based on Arthur C. Clark's novel: 2010 Odyssey Two,
这本身就是2001年电影版的续集。 which is itself a sequel to the film version of 2001.
作为续集，这是一项吃力不讨好的任务 It has the thankless task of being a sequel
敬有史以来最伟大的科幻电影。 to the greatest science fiction film ever made.
你最不想做的事就是创造续集 The last thing you want to do is make the sequel
到2001年，惹毛了阿瑟·c·克拉克和斯坦利·库布里克。 to 2001 and piss off Arthur C. Clark or Stanley Kubrick.
我不会拍这部电影，除非库布里克说“好”，阿瑟·c·克拉克说“好”。 I would not do the film unless Kubrick said, "Okay" and Arthur C. Clark said, "Okay".
斯坦利·库布里克，对我来说， And Stanley Kubrick, to me,
是史上最伟大导演中的最伟大导演之一。 is one of the great directors of the greatest directors that's ever lived.
我不是。 I am not.
唯一的办法就是拍一部电影 The only way to do it was to make a film that
说实话，不能和2001年相比。 honestly could not be compared to 2001.
他们在各个方面都是不同的。 They're different in every possible way.
库布里克说:“只要确保它是你的。 Kubrick said, "Just make sure it's yours.
“一定要拍好你的电影。” "Just make sure you make your film."
罗伊·谢德尔饰演海伍德·弗洛伊德， Roy Scheider plays Heywood Floyd,
他最初由威廉·西尔维斯特在2001年扮演。 who was originally portrayed by William Sylvester in 2001.
他有机会去木星 He has an opportunity to go out to Jupiter
并确定“发现号”上的船员到底发生了什么。 and determine what actually happened with the crew of the Discovery.
谢德尔与约翰·利思高和鲍勃·巴拉班一起， Scheider, along with John Lithgow and Bob Balaban,
搭乘一艘由海伦·米伦担任船长的俄罗斯宇宙飞船。 hitch a ride aboard a Russian spacecraft captained by Helen Mirren.
美国人的勇气哪里去了? What has happened to American bravery?
活得好好的，非常感谢。 Alive and well, thank you very much.
俄罗斯的常识怎么了? What’s happened to Russian common sense?
这是里根时代的鼎盛时期，这是一部电影 This was the height of the Reagan era, and here's a film
关于俄罗斯人和美国人在太空合作的事 about Russians and Americans doing a joint venture in space.
在亚瑟的书里，每个人都相处得很好。 In Arthur's book, everybody got along famously.
我觉得让地球上的地狱都爆发出来会很有趣 I thought it would be interesting to have all hell break loose on Earth
让它变得严肃起来。 and have it become serious.
所有美国人员被命令立即离开苏联领土， All American personnel are ordered to leave Soviet territory immediately,
否则他们将被逮捕。 or they will be placed under arrest.
它玩的是冷战 It plays with the Cold War
80年代初的偏执，但也需要HAL， thing, the early '80s paranoia that we had, but it also takes HAL,
谁是2001年的大反派 who is essentially the villain in 2001
把他改造成一个英雄。 and kind of reprograms him to be the hero.
你想让我留下来陪你吗? Do you want me to stay with you?
不。你离开对任务更有利。 No. It is better for the mission if you leave.
Keir Dullea回归 Keir Dullea returns to
再次扮演戴夫·鲍曼。 reprise his role as Dave Bowman.
道格拉斯·瑞恩回到语音HAL，计算机。 And Douglas Rain returns to voice HAL, the computer.
和弗洛伊德谈过了? Talked to Floyd?
是的。 Yes.
你想下棋吗? Would you like to play a game of chess?
我打得很好。 I play very well.
我相信你会的。 I'm sure you do.
我先给道格拉斯录了音。 I had recorded Douglas first.
所以当基尔拍戏的时候，他是和哈尔一起拍的。 So when Keir did his scenes, he did them with HAL.
我害怕。 I'm afraid.
不要。我们会在一起的。 Don't be. We'll be together.
后来他哭着来找我， And he came to me afterwards in tears,
因为当他拍《2001》的时候，他是和一个伦敦的第三助理导演一起拍的。 because when he did 2001, he did it with a Cockney third assistant director.
打开Pod舱门，HAL。 Open the Pod bay doors, HAL.
对不起,戴夫。不行，戴夫。 Sorry, Dave. Can't do that, Dave.
我们用列奥诺夫飞船的对接环连接到发现号上。 We use the docking ring in Leonov to attach to the Discovery.
回家的旅行。 For a trip back home.
罗伊·谢德尔是一个快乐的人 Roy Scheider was a joy
罗伊唯一的怪癖是他总是喜欢晒太阳。 The only quirk with Roy was he was always in the sun.
他会在摄影棚外面拿着反射镜。 He would be outside the studio with a reflector.
剧组挂了个牌子，写着舞台外面是谢德尔海滩。 The crew put a sign that said Scheider Beach outside the stage.
在2001年，巨石是一个哨兵，它是一个警报器 In 2001, the monolith was a sentinel, it's an alarm that goes off
这就告诉了其他人 that tells some other
有人登上月球的情报 intelligence that somebody has stepped on the Moon.
我当然认为他们给人们留下了很多自己的诠释。 I certainly think they left a lot to people's own interpretation.
在2010年，巨石是基本生命形式的组成部分。 In 2010, the monolith is a basic life form building block.
我觉得这是一种未来DNA。 I think it's kind of futuristic DNA.
我想拍一部科学可行的电影。 I tried to make a science feasible film.
我只是想拍一部完全不同的电影， I just wanted to make a film that was completely different,
因此，它不能与2001年相提并论 so it could not rightfully be compared to 2001
因为我不能和斯坦利·库布里克相比。 because I can't be compared to Stanley Kubrick.
就这么简单。 It's as simple as that.
会发生什么? What's going to happen?
美好的东西。 Something wonderful.
沙丘，一个超越你经验的世界， Dune, a world beyond your experience,
超乎你的想象。 beyond your imagination.
《沙丘》是一本畅销的巨著拥有一批忠实的粉丝。 Dune, that's a huge, bestselling book with a dedicated fan following.
在80年代，那些营销人员， Back in the '80s, those marketers,
他们不知道。他们不知道怎么卖真正的科幻小说， they had no idea. They couldn't figure out how to sell the real hard sci fi,
尽管有巨大的需求。 even though there was huge demand for it.
人们还没有准备好。 People weren't ready for them.
这还没有先例。 The precedent hadn't been set.
《沙丘》的故事发生在四个星球上，我总是搞不清楚。 Dune takes place on four planets, I could never keep them straight.
我在沙滩上玩沙子更开心。 I've had more fun with sand at the beach.
大卫·林奇的《沙丘》就是这样一个引人入胜的故事 David Lynch's Dune, is this brilliantly evocative story
大约3000年后， about 3000 years into the future,
都是关于沙丘星球的，阿拉基斯 and it's all about the planet Dune, Arrakis
香料的来源。 the source of spice.
这种香料可以延年益寿。 The spice extends life.
香料扩展意识。 The spice expands consciousness.
这个比喻是关于中东和石油的发现 The metaphor is it's about the Middle East and about discovery of oil
每个人都想染指并占有它。 and how everybody wants to get their hands on it and occupy it.
我是说，毒品的比喻很明显。 I mean, the drug metaphors are quite clear.
你知道，自始至终。 You know, throughout.
思想越快，嘴唇越脏， thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains,
污渍变成了一种警告。只有意志才能使我的思想行动起来。 stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
但这是一种奇妙的方式 But it's this wonderful kind
关于救世主的冒险故事， of messianic adventure story,
充满了细节。 full of great detail.
所以这项技术的设计，宇宙飞船， So the design of the technology, the spacecraft,
硬件是Lynchian的奇妙的哥特式情感 and the hardware is Lynchian. Wonderful sort of gothic sensibility
或者装饰艺术。当你让大卫·林奇制作任何东西时， or art deco. When you get David Lynch making anything,
他被这些纹理迷住了 he is fascinated by the textures
存在和生命。 of existence and life.
当东西进来的时候，我们就想，天啊， The thing that came in, we were just like, oh Lord,
它们太丑了。 they were so ugly.
谁来收拾科幻小说里的烂摊子。 Who's going to clean up the messes in science fiction.
那个拖拖把的人是谁? Who's the guy with the mop.
当然，我们痴迷于蠕虫长什么样。 And of course, we were obsessed with this idea of what the worms looked like.
这是制作《沙丘》的巨大挑战， They were the great challenge of making Dune work and very wisely,
林奇请来了卡洛·兰巴尔迪的才华， Lynch called upon the talents of Carlo Rambaldi,
他是伟大的木偶创造者。 who was the great puppet creator.
虫子，小… The worms, little...
后来我们的节目上出现了写着“我骑了虫子”的t恤， And then we had T-shirts on the show that said 'I rode the worm',
这很荒谬，你知道吗? and it was ridiculous, you know?
我是Chani, Liet的女儿。 I am Chani, daughter of Liet.
从我的梦中。 From my dreams.
在制作《沙丘》的第一天，我有点害怕。 The first day of working on Dune, I was a little scared.
这是一个巨大的工程。 That's a huge project.
我会永远爱你。 I will love you forever.
你是我的生命。 You are my life.
凯尔很有趣，他也很勤奋。 Kyle was a lot of fun, and he was very diligent.
他工作很努力。 He worked hard.
他真的很想把工作做到最好 And he really wanted to do the best job
他可以。 he could.
-痛!——够了! - The pain! - Enough!
斯汀觉得穿那条蓝丁字裤很傻， Sting felt pretty silly in that blue thong,
我得告诉你，他有点像，天哪。 I got to tell you, he was kind of like, Oh my God.
我以前一看到自己就会崩溃 I just used to crack up whenever I saw myself
在那部电影里，说"Muad'Dib!" on that movie, going, "Muad'Dib!"
Muad 'Dib ! Muad'Dib!
静止战衣是为你量身打造的。 The still-suit is built for you.
在工作条件良好的情况下， With a Fremen suit in good working condition,
生命可以维持数周。 life can be sustained for weeks.
即使在沙漠深处，陛下。 Even in the deep desert, Sire.
他们花了半个小时才上车， They took about half an hour to get on,
基本上我们不会把它们取下来， and then basically we wouldn't take them off,
但他们会拉到这里，但我们会局促不安 but they'd zip down to here, but we'd squirm
从他们的顶部，你真的会避免液体 out of the top of them and you'd literally avoid liquids
这样你就不会说我要去洗手间了 so that you wouldn't be the one saying, I have to go to the bathroom
让大家等半个小时 and make everybody wait half an hour
你可以去楚布斯科工作室的洗手间。 while you go over to where the bathroom is in Churubusco studios.
你的耳朵和鼻子，还有你的头皮和皮肤 Your ears and nose, and your scalp and your skin
你的身体很脏，所以这是一项相当艰巨的任务 and your body was just filthy, so it was quite a commitment
每天晚上打扫卫生。 to clean every night.
我想大卫在某个时刻会说，我的天啊， I think David at a certain point was like, holy crap,
这是一个大项目，因为他会说，“好吧，我们会在后期修复它。” this is a big project because he would go, "Well, we'll fix it in post."
我记得我说"哦哦" I remember saying, "Oh oh", you know.
莱托公爵万岁! Long live Duke Leto!
过了一段时间，伙计，真的就像 After a while, man, it really just became like
每个人都会下班去酒吧。 everybody would get off work and hit the bar.
当人们看电影《沙丘》时， When people saw the movie Dune,
他们会拿到一份词汇表。 they would be handed a glossary sheet.
有很多令人眼花缭乱的因素， There was a lot of dazzle factor with it,
但是角色本身，很难 but the characters themselves, it was hard to
无论如何，对我来说，有时很难把它联系起来。 for me anyway, it was hard to relate to it sometimes.
我要杀了他! I will kill him!
保罗! Paul!
为什么《沙丘》没有落地， Why Dune didn't land,
我认为，是有争议的，但它没有，有些人仍然喜欢那部电影 I think, is debatable, but it didn't, and some people still love that movie
而有些人，不管过了多久，它都不会落到他们身上。 and some people it never landed with, no matter how much time passed.
我认为大卫在某种程度上感到不自在。在其他电影中， I think David in a way felt out of his element. With the other films,
我觉得他的控制力更强。 I think he had much more control.
在演艺圈，挣扎更常见的是人 The struggle is what's more common in show business is people
努力想要实现这个愿景，我想他从来没有 struggling to get that vision out, and I don't think he had ever
经历过这样的障碍。 experienced that obstacle before.
医生的汤姆·塞莱克。 Tom Selleck.
辛西娅·罗兹。 Cynthia Rhodes.
吉恩·西蒙斯。 Gene Simmons.
失控的。 Runaway.
《逃亡》由迈克尔·克莱顿执导。 Runaway was directed by Michael Crichton.
这是一部关于机器人的未来警匪片 It is a futuristic cop movie about robots
是用来杀人的。 that are programed to kill people.
我扮演了坏人。 I played the bad guy.
不,真的吗? No, really?
一个叫卢瑟的人。 A guy named Luther.
我说了把枪放下。 I said drop your gun.
我没开玩笑，混蛋。 I'm not kidding, asshole.
我试镜的方式是，他说， The way I auditioned is, he said,
"用强烈的眼神看着我，就好像你要杀了我一样" "Look into my eyes with intensity that you're going to kill me."
所以我就看着他。 So I just looked at him.
他说"好吧，你得到这份工作了" He says, "Okay, you got the job."
我从来没想过这个角色。 I never read for the part.
我只是 I just
做了很多沉思。 did a lot of brooding.
《吻遇公园魅影》 Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park.
除此之外， Other than that,
毫无疑问，《逃亡》是吉恩出演的第一个反派角色。 Runaway was Gene's first villain role, for sure.
我喜欢《神探马格南》 I loved Magnum P.I.
我从小也很喜欢Kiss。吉恩和他那疯狂的舌头。 and I also loved Kiss growing up. Gene and his crazy tongue.
我记得我第一次见到他的时候我就想， I remember when I met him the first time I was like,
“你真的把山羊的舌头缝在你自己的舌头上了吗?” "Do you really have a goat's tongue sewed onto your own?"
他说:“不，只是太长了。 And he's just like, "No, it's just really long.
“女士们都很喜欢，对吧?” "The ladies love it, right?"
嘿，加油，老虎。 Hey, come on, tiger.
汤姆·塞立克的父子戏 The father-son scenes with Tom Selleck
结果是真实的。 came out real.
再结一次婚又不会死，你知道的。 It wouldn't kill you to get married again, you know.
我知道。你去睡觉又不会死。 I know. It wouldn't kill you to go to sleep.
故事的核心是找到潜在的人性和联系 The heart of the story and finding that underlying humanity and connection
或者和故事里的人物有关联。 or relatability to the characters in these stories.
我的枪在电影里很先进， Advanced technology in the movie with my gun,
在我的收藏中，我有那把原始的枪， which I have in my collection, I have that original gun,
你射出子弹，子弹会绕过去找到你。 you shoot the bullet and it goes around and finds you.
热寻求。 Heat seeking.
小型遥控汽车。 Little remote control cars.
一个下来。 One down.
那些喷酸的蜘蛛。 The spiders that shot acid.
那些是遥控的，真的很漂亮。 Those were remote control, really neat.
有几种不同的类型。 There was a couple of different kinds.
有些人会跳下去。 Some would jump.
有些人会匆忙离开。 Some would scurry.
我想要一只蜘蛛 I wanted a spider
那么糟糕。 so bad.
爸爸，你来接我吗? Dad, are you coming to get me?
处于危险环境中的孩子，是的， Kids in dangerous situations, yeah,
80年代在这方面更自由一些。 the '80s were a little more free with that.
让他走吧。现在! Let him go. Now!
他要让他被杀 He's going to let him get killed
用这些疯狂的酸炸掉蜘蛛。而且很黑。 by these crazy acid blowing up spiders. And it's pretty dark.
蜘蛛会让你进去，但不会让你出来。 The spiders will let you in, but they won't let you out.
我不能有证人，太乱了。 I can't have any witnesses, it's too messy.
蜘蛛被设定了杀死第一个出来的人的程序 The spiders have been programmed to kill the first person that comes out
电梯。 of the elevator.
他说:“什么?鲍比!” He was just like, "What? Bobby!"
鲍比! Bobby!
我觉得不错。我觉得效果不错。 I thought it was good. I thought it came off well.
这部电影是aaa级电影吗? Is the movie a Triple A movie?
没有，但我的孩子们看到了，他们给我竖起了大拇指。 No, but my kids saw it and they gave me a thumbs up.
这就足够了。 That's good enough.
生物效果是科幻小说体验的重要组成部分。 Creature effects are a huge part of the science fiction experience.
我们必须相信这个生物是真实存在的。 It is so important that we believe that the creature is real.
这些都是电影如何运作的重要决定 They're really important decisions for how these films work
或者不工作，如果外星人没有在《异形与异形》中工作过， or don't work, if the alien hadn't worked in Alien and Aliens,
它们根本不起作用。 they don't work at all.
如果外星人是荒谬的，那外星人就失败了。 And if E.T. is absurd, then E.T. fails.
当你在屏幕上看到一些东西时， When you see something on screen,
你知道那只是一群人在某个黑屋子里按按钮而已， that you know for a fact was just a bunch of people pushing buttons in a dark room somewhere,
这里有一个断层。 there's a disconnect there.
但如果你看到了什么 But if you see something,
即使它看起来不完全真实，这也是一种实际效果。 even if it doesn't look perfectly real, that's a practical effect.
你会说，哇!他们是怎么做到的?操作员呢，管他呢。 You're like, wow! How did they do that? Where are the operators, what the hell.
所以这是有联系的。 And so there is a connection there.
这是一种魅力，一种风格。 There's a charm, it's a stylistic approach.
当以正确的方式呈现时，它们仍然足够有活力 They were still dynamic enough when presented the right way
让你沉浸其中，忘记所有的科技， to immerse you in it, and you forget all about the technology,
这是件好事，你只要跟着故事走就行了。 which is a good thing, and you just follow the story.
我想尤达就是这样。 I think that was true of Yoda.
我想外星人就是这样 I think that was true of E.T.
我看到一个早期的外星人 I saw an early E.T.
没有音效，我就说，“呃，我不知道这个。” without the sound effects, and I was like, "Uh, I don't know about this."
你看到它的声音，音乐和精细的剪辑，你不会质疑任何东西。 You see it with sound and music and fine cutting, you don't question anything.
E.T.打电话回家。 E.T. phone home.
E.T.他的设计很神奇， E.T.'s design was magical,
在《外星人E.T.》的场景里 in the scenes that I did with E.T.
我可以像那样暂停我的想象。 I could suspend my imagination like that.
就像和另一个孩子一起工作。 It was just like working with another kid.
当我们第一次看到 When we first saw
尤达的东西和一些灯心草就像 the Yoda stuff and some of the rushes, it was like,
我不了解这个木偶。 I don't know about this puppet.
然后你看到它在场景中被剪辑在一起， And then you see it cut together in the scene and it's like,
是啊，完全有用。你会买账。 yeah, totally works. You buy the intention.
我在找人。 I'm looking for someone.
看吗?我想说找到你的人了。 Looking? Found someone you have I would say.
行走的尤达。 The walking Yoda.
这是他们想要的远景镜头，他们一直在寻找 It was a long perspective shot they wanted, and they were looking for
一个身材匀称，能穿上戏服的人。 a perfectly proportioned guy that'll fit in the costume.
他们说:“你太高了，不可能是尤达。” They said, "You're too tall to be Yoda."
所以他们给了我护膝，你必须学会用膝盖走路。 So they gave me the knee pads and you have to learn to walk on the knees.
我和肯尼·贝克合作过《星球大战》 I worked with Kenny Baker on Star Wars,
以前午餐时间喝太多啤酒。 used to have too many beers at lunchtime.
进不去，戴夫·汤姆林就会说"进R2-D2 " Couldn't get in, and Dave Tomlin would go, "Get into R2-D2."
我说:“但那不是为我设计的。”他说, I said, "But that’s not made for me." He said,
“对，进去。” "Yeah, get in there."
肯尼只有三英尺七英寸高。 Kenny was only three feet, seven inches tall.
伙计，我有4英尺4英寸。挤进去是很困难的。 Man, I'm 4'4. To squeeze into that was hard.
这很艰难。 It was tough.
我喜欢每一个生物效应都是一个团队的人一起工作， I love that every creature effect is a team of people working together,
无论是所有的木偶师在演赫特人贾巴， whether it is all of the puppeteers doing Jabba the Hutt,
不管是《铁血战士》里的一个西装男。 whether it is one guy in a suit in Predator.
《帝国反击战》里小行星上的巨型太空虫。 That giant space worm in the asteroid in Empire Strikes Back.
我喜欢这玩意看起来像烤箱手套。 I love that that thing looks like an oven mitt.
有人会说， And it's just someone going like,
把它追出来，然后这样做。 chase it out and do that.
我确定斯利默是我最可爱，最可爱的作品， I'm just certain Slimer is my most lovable, endearing creation,
如果你们不知道他是怎么被造出来的， and for those of you that don't know how he was made,
我试着把它看成一个卡通人物。 I tried to look at it as a cartoon character.
你知道，斯利默是个大人物。它实际上不是一个木偶。 You know, Slimer was big. It wasn't actually a puppet.
这是一位名叫马克·威尔逊的绅士佩戴的设备。 It was a device that a gentleman named Mark Wilson wore.
他透过嘴巴往外看。 He looked through the mouth.
我们对着一个黑色的舞台拍摄。 We shot against a black stage.
我可以让穿黑西装的人尽可能多地在他身边 I can get people in black suits as many people around him as possible
把他们的手臂伸进这个木偶，用力微笑，甚至是舌头 to stick their arms in this puppet and muscle a smile, even the tongue
从他嘴里出来舔他的嘴唇，这是舌头手套。 that comes out of his mouth and licks his lips, that's a tongue glove.
整件事只是为了让他尽可能搞笑。 The whole thing was just to make him as funny as possible.
在电影里它很有效，我对此很满意， In the movie it works, and I'm really happy with it,
这是我参与过的最具标志性的作品。 it's the most iconic thing I've worked on.
每个人都知道斯利默。 Everybody knows Slimer.
他给我灌水。 He Slimed me.
那东西对我来说还没有被超越 The Thing for me has yet to be surpassed
你在屏幕上看到的创造力和想象力。 in the ingenuity and imagination that you see on screen.
Rob Bottin是大多数人背后的策划者 Rob Bottin was the mastermind behind the majority
你所看到的。在制作过程中的某个时刻， of what you see. At a certain point during the production,
罗布不知所措。 Rob was overwhelmed.
他病了，他不能 He was ill and he was not able
为了完成狗的事情效果。 to finish the dog thing effect.
斯坦·温斯顿决定 So Stan Winston decided
做一个非常简单的手偶。 to really make it a very simple hand puppet.
你可以看到，如果你真的寻找它， You can see if you really look for it,
木偶师的头在身体的位置，而头 the body is where the puppeteers head is, and the head
而嘴只是一个手偶。 and mouth are simply a hand puppet.
-来吧。-好吧。 - Come on. - Okey Dokey.
《霍华德鸭子》里，乔治想把它当作戏服。 With Howard the Duck, George wanted to do it as a costume.
我试着劝乔治别这么做。 I tried to talk to George out of it, you know.
我说，“我不知道这能不能行。” I was like, "I don't know if it's going to work."
我们没有灵活性 We don't have the flexibility
做我们今天做的事，做我们用计算机图形学做的事。 to do what we did today, what we would be doing with computer graphics.
但会是一个穿西装的人。 But it was going to be a guy in a suit.
这是一个挑战。 It was a challenge.
我的衣服是电子动画的。 My suit was animatronic.
我们用了19个不同的人头，每个五万。 We went through 19 different heads at 50,000 each.
把它穿上，然后用热胶合上。 It was put on, and then hot glued shut.
因此，我不能有规律地休息。 So therefore I couldn't take a regular break.
没有午餐休息时间，完全没有休息时间。 No lunch breaks and no breaks at all.
所以他们会把巧克力豆扔到我嘴里。 So they would drop M&M's down my beak.
我是天生的。 I was a natural.
我不用看就能找到我的标记。 I could find my mark without seeing it.
如果你动了东西，告诉鸭子。 If you move shit, tell the duck.
我被绊倒了，5万美元的面具不见了。 And I tripped over, 50,000 dollar mask gone.
这开始严重损害我的自尊。 This is beginning to seriously undermined my self-esteem.
捕食者是最大的黑色 Predator is the biggest black
给我的职业生涯留下了污点。 mark on my career for no good goddamn reason.
他们把制作设计师完成的设计交给了他们， They handed this design over that their production designer had done,
我立刻说:“这绝对行不通。” and I immediately said, "This is never going to work."
不管我们有多少时间和金钱，这都是不可能的。 It didn't matter how much time and money we had, it was impossible.
他们雇佣让-克劳德是因为他是武术专家， They hired Jeanne-Claude because he's a martial arts expert,
他们给他穿上了西装，让他几乎不能摇晃。 and they put him in the suit where he can barely totter.
它本来是要换掉的。 It was meant to be replaced and roto’d.
当然这个人会说， So of course the guy's like,
“为什么?你为什么要雇我?” "Why? Why did you even hire me?"
生产部没人费心告诉他，他到了那里就说， No one had bothered to tell from production, and he gets there and goes,
“这衣服是怎么回事?” "What's with the suit?"
我说:“你在这部电影里扮演的是一个怪物。” And I said, "Well, you're playing a monster in this film."
“我从没想过这是一套真正的西装。” "I never thought it was a real suit."
“我讨厌这套衣服。我看起来像个超级英雄。” "I hate this suit. I look like a superhero."
然后他发现他要在电影的一半时间里隐形， And then he found out he was going to be invisible for half the movie,
他对此非常愤怒。 and he was enraged about that.
他不知道这件事，对吧?你以为这些人没读剧本吗? He didn't know about that, right? Don't think these guys read the script?
我试了又试，想让他们让我做点别的 I tried and tried to get them to let me do something else
我知道会有用的 that I knew would work.
他们说:“绝对不行。” And they were like, "Absolutely not."
从一开始就注定了。 It was absolutely doomed from the beginning.
他们很快就撤资了。 They pulled the plug pretty quickly.
我想这多亏了阿诺德， I think it was thanks to Arnold,
他和《终结者》里的斯坦·温斯顿有过一段关系 who had formed a relationship with Stan Winston on The Terminator
当有人找斯坦申请这份工作时，“你为什么不给斯坦打电话呢?” that Stan was approached for the job, "Why don't you call Stan for this one?"
这是一个糟糕的阿诺德印象。 That's a terrible Arnold impression.
他们知道时间不多了， knowing they had very little time,
他们决定采取一种老派的方法。只是个穿西装的男人， they decided to take an old school approach. It's just a man in a suit,
但这是一个穿西装的男人和一个杀手 but it's a man in a suit with a killer
面部设计和杀手收尾。 facial design and a killer finish.
有史以来最伟大的生物服装表演者之一， And one of the great creature suit performers of all time,
凯文·彼得·霍尔，他刚演过《哈利与亨德森一家》里的哈利。 Kevin Peter Hall, who had just done Harry from Harry and the Hendersons.
与外星人不同，捕食者可以表达 Unlike the Alien, the Predator could express
当它看着你的时候有一点情绪， a little emotion when it looks at you,
你几乎可以感觉到它的反对。 you can almost sense its disapproval.
异形，其中最独特和最有影响力的一个 Alien, one of the most unique and influential
生物设计。 creature designs ever.
在《异形》中，詹姆斯·卡梅隆做出了一个明智的决定:真正尊重他人 In Aliens, James Cameron made the wise decision to really honor
h·r·吉格尔的设计。 H.R. Giger's designs.
他们取出了透明的头骨甲壳 They removed the clear skull carapace thing
来揭示这种骨骼结构。 to reveal this sort of bony under structure.
是一群西装革履的男人， It was a combination of men in suits,
电缆驱动的木偶。 cable actuated puppets.
这样就能让那些外星战士活过来。 And that sort of thing to bring those alien warriors to life.
你有体操运动员和舞蹈演员，人们真的可以变形 You got gymnasts and dancers, people could really morph
进入这些生物的身体，赋予它们生命。 into these creatures bodies and bring them to life.
偶尔，当你休息的时候，你知道，你会看到他们中的一个和 Occasionally, when you had a break, you know, you'd see one of these guys with
把外星人的头夹在胳膊下，抽着烟，对吧? with their alien head tucked under their arm, just smoking a cigarette, right?
看到詹姆斯·卡梅隆是如何 I think it was quite amazing to see how James Cameron
和斯坦·温斯顿一起创造了外星人女王。 and Stan Winston worked together to create the Queen Alien.
这真的令人敬畏。 It was awe inspiring, really.
这就像在看歌舞伎剧院里有电线的操纵杆， It was like watching Kabuki theater manning poles that had wires,
在看她手臂上的滑轮 going over pulleys that would work her arm
或者让她向前走。 or make her walk forward.
然后在外星人女王的脑袋里， Then in the Queen Alien head,
剧组里最小的特效师，被塞进了她的脑袋 the smallest special effect guy on the crew, was tucked in her head
他唯一的工作就是把她牙缝里的粘液取出来。 and his only job was to push goo out of her teeth.
那是非凡的电影制作，伙计。 That was extraordinary film-making, man.
而你看到的大多数外星女王的照片都是正常尺寸的 While most of the shots you see of the alien queen are the full size
木偶或部分全尺寸木偶，有几个时刻 puppet or parts of the full sized puppet, there are few moments
它实际上是一个杆木偶的微型模型 where it's actually a rod puppeted miniature
由斯坦·温斯顿工作室的斯科塔克兄弟制作。 built by the Skotak brothers from the Stan Winston studio maquette.
我是说，那部电影就是一个完美的例子 I mean, that film is the perfect example of how
你使用每一种技术 you take every technique
当你把它们结合在一起，这就是奇迹发生的地方。 and you bring it all together, and that's where magic happens.
这车时速可达88英里。 This baby hits 88 miles per hour.
你会看到很严重的事情。 You're gonna see some serious shit.
回到未来。 Back to the Future.
你要走多远? How far you're going?
大约30年。 About 30 years.
我喜欢时间旅行， I love time travel,
我喜欢你可以被时空传送到某个地方的想法。 I love the idea that you could just be transported somewhere in time.
我是《回到未来》的超级粉丝。 I'm a huge Back to the Future fan.
这是一部完美的电影，它可能是好莱坞有史以来最伟大的剧本之一。 It's a perfect movie, it's probably one of the great Hollywood scripts of all time.
这是一个牢不可破的剧本。 It's just an unbreachable screenplay.
1955 1955
你是我妈，你是我妈。 You're my mo- you're my mom.
人们对我说， People say to me,
“你认为编剧最重要的方面是什么?” "What would you say are the most important aspects of screenwriting?"
我说:“有三个:性格、性格、性格。” I say, "There's three of them: character, character, and character."
如果你不和你的角色在一起，你就什么都得不到。 If you're not with your characters, you've got nothing.
当你看到《回到未来》中介绍布朗博士时， When you see Doc Brown introduced in Back to the Future,
你会说，“好吧，我相信他的发明是有效的。” you're going to say, "Okay, I will believe that what he invents works."
你看着这辆德罗宁车，你会说，“是啊，这看起来像 You look at the DeLorean and you say, "Yeah, this looks like
“这是那个家伙在他的车库里造的东西。” "it's something that the guy actually did build in his garage."
我来自未来。 I'm from the future.
我坐着你发明的时光机来的。 I came here in a time machine that you invented.
是的，我们可以玩得很开心 Yes, we can have fun with the
时间旅行的钟声和哨声，钟塔，所有这些东西。 bells and whistles of time travel, the clock tower, all that stuff.
但说到底，我们在《回到未来》里 But the end of the day, what we have in Back to the Future
是一个很简单的想法，会发生什么 is a very simple idea, which is what would happen
我父母第一次约会的时候我也在场 if I was there on my parents' first date.
我们一直想要迈克尔·j·福克斯 We had always wanted Michael J. Fox
饰演马蒂·麦克弗莱，但我们没能让他退出电视剧《家庭纽带》。 to play Marty McFly, but we couldn't get him out of Family Ties TV series.
特别是埃里克·斯托尔茨 We cast Eric Stoltz, particularly
在席德·谢恩伯格的敦促下 at the urging of Sid Sheinberg,
MCA会长。实际上，Sheinberg说:“我很确定 president of MCA. Sheinberg actually said, "I am so sure
“埃里克·斯托尔茨会在这方面做得很好，如果他不是， "that Eric Stoltz is going to be great in this that if he's not,
“你知道，你和另一个人重新开始电影。” "you know, you start the movie all over again with somebody else."
他从没想过我们会接受他的提议。 Now, he never expected us to take him up on that.
埃里克没有迈克尔·j·福克斯那种天生的幽默感。 Eric didn't have the natural sense of humor that Michael J. Fox had.
他不是为了好玩才演奏的。 He kind of played it less for laughs.
鲍勃·泽米基斯在周四晚上告诉了埃里克这个坏消息 Bob Zemeckis gave Eric the bad news on Thursday night
接下来的周一或周二晚上，我们又回到了双松购物中心。 and the following Monday or Tuesday night, we were back at Twin Pines Mall.
那是迈克尔·j·福克斯第一次来工作。 It was the first time Michael J. Fox came to work.
一旦他开始表演，所有人都能看出来这是马蒂·麦克弗莱。 Once he started performing, everybody could see this is Marty McFly.
你是说你造了一台时光机吗 Are you telling me that you built a time machine
从德罗宁车里出来的? out of a DeLorean?
在我看来…… The way I see it...
和其他演员一起，他把他们身上的东西都激发出来了， With the costars, he brought things out in them,
所以克里斯托弗·劳埃德更好。 and so Christopher Lloyd was better.
我终于发明了有用的东西! I finally invented something that works!
Lea Thompson要好得多。 Lea Thompson was way better.
我的天啊，他真是个梦幻。 Oh my God, he's a dream.
等一下，医生，你是想告诉我，我妈妈 Wait a minute, Doc, are you trying to tell me that my mother
-对我有兴趣?——准确! - has got the hots for me? - Precisely!
马蒂和洛林在车里的那场戏 The scene with Marty and Lorraine in the car
那是一个非常关键的场景 that was always a really critical scene
能做到这一点。 to be able to pull that off.
别担心。 Don't worry.
如果我们要继续下去，洛林就必须分手。 If this was going to work, Lorraine had to break it off.
我们写了这一行， We wrote this line,
“我觉得我在接吻……” "I feel like I'm kissing..."
.．.我的兄弟。 ...my brother.
迈克尔·j·福克斯的造型 The look on Michael J. Fox's
她抽离时的表情 face when she pulls away
在她采取行动之后，是无价的。 after she makes the move, is priceless.
它允许我们去实现它。 It gives us permission to make that work.
和埃里克在一起会这样吗? Would it have worked like that with Eric?
我不认为它有机会像那样工作。 I don't think it had a chance of working like that.
这就是为什么演员能拿到这么高的薪水， This is why actors get the kind of salaries that they get,
因为当他们如此优秀时，这是值得的。 because when they're that good, it's worth it.
这个会告诉你要去哪里。 This one tells you where you're going.
这个会告诉你你在哪里。这个会告诉你你在哪里。 This one tells you where you are. This one tells you where you were.
科幻小说中基本上有两种不同的时间旅行。 There are basically two different kinds of time travel in science fiction.
有些事你可以改变过去，有些事你不能。 There's the ones where you can change the past, and there's ones where you can't.
科幻戏剧。 Science fiction theater.
第三种时间旅行是我所谓的“回到未来”机制。 The third kind of time travel is what I call the Back to the Future mechanic.
《回到未来》中的画面就是一个典型的例子。 The picture in Back to the Future is the quintessential example of that.
他们认为这是事物运行的方式，并坚持这一点。 They establish that as this is the way things work and they stick to that.
它就像被抹去了一样。 It's like it has been erased.
抹去。从存在。 Erased. From existence.
这是科幻小说的第一条规则，你建立了一些规则，你要遵守这些规则。 That's the first rule of science fiction, you establish some rules, you stick to those rules.
当然，很明显，这是一部喜剧。 It helps, of course, obviously, that it's a comedy.
我们要把你送回未来! We are sending you back to the future!
工业光魔问了我们一个问题 One of the questions ILM had for us
在时间旅行者看来会是什么样子? is what is it going to look like to the time traveler?
他们提出了各种复杂的效果。 And they were suggesting all kinds of elaborate effects.
但在那天结束的时候，鲍勃和我说:“时间旅行应该是瞬间的， But at the end of the day, Bob and I said "Time travel should be instantaneous,
“所以让我们继续吧。” "so let's just get on with it."
回到我们的信念，我们在这里讲的 Going back to our belief that what we were telling here
这是一个关于人类的故事，而不是一个关于科技的故事。 really was a human story, it was not a story about technology.
人们对我说:“为什么你认为《回到未来》 People say to me, "Why do you think Back to the Future
的问题在今天仍然很受欢迎 "is still as compelling and popular today
“跟以前一样吗?” "as it was back in the day?"
喂?喂?有人在家吗? Hello? Hello? Anybody home?
-想想，麦克弗莱!——思考。 - Think, McFly! - Think.
这都是关于角色的。 It's all about the characters.
这些都是非常强大的人类元素。 These are all really powerful human elements.
这就是这部电影要讲的。 And that is what the movie is about.
道路?我们要去的地方不需要路。 Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads.
《大白鲨》的制片人和《美人鱼》的导演， From the producers of Jaws, and the director of Splash,
茧。 Cocoon.
我认为有一件事在80年代非常明显， One of the things I think was very evident in the '80s,
我们看到了很多年轻的英雄， we saw a lot of young heroes,
我们在这种强壮的体魄中看到了许多青春。 we saw a lot of youth in this physical prowess.
茧用一种非常有趣的方式做了什么 What Cocoon did, in a very interesting way
称之为社会标准 call into this social standard of
老是什么意思。像《不包括电池》这样的电影真的不会存在 what old means. A movie like Batteries Not Included really wouldn't exist
没有蚕茧能提供的概念证明 without the proof of concept that Cocoon was able to supply
对这个行业。 to the industry.
一切都发生得太快了…… Everything's happening so fast...
我非常喜欢 I absolutely love
茧，美丽的罗恩·霍华德电影。 Cocoon, beautiful Ron Howard film.
这是一部关于外星人的科幻电影，但并不是真的。 It's a science fiction film about aliens, but not really.
茧关乎衰老，关乎生命。 Cocoon is about aging, it's about life.
唐·阿梅切，杰西卡·坦迪，休谟·克罗宁 Don Ameche, Jessica Tandy, Hume Cronyn, were these
老演员。 aging actors.
当我跟不上你的时候，你还会爱我吗? Will you still love me when I can't keep up with you?
当然可以。我现在爱你，而你却跟不上我。 Of course. I love you now, and you can't keep up with me.
威尔福德·布里姆利在电影中扮演一位年长的绅士， Wilford Brimley, who played one of the older gentlemen in the movie,
拍摄那部电影时，他才50岁。 was only 50 years old during the making of that film.
他们在老人院里做着他们想做的事，时不时地， They're in this old folks home and doing what they're doing, every now and again,
他们会去游泳池闲逛，玩得很开心。 they would go to the swimming pool and just fool around and have some fun.
他们没有意识到的是，在泳池底 What they don't realize is that at the bottom of the pool
这些是茧吗? are these cocoons.
石头在游泳池里做什么? What are rocks doing in a pool?
这些老年人开始感到恢复了活力。 These older folks start to feel rejuvenated.
他们可以做以前做不到的事。 They can do things they couldn't do before.
你觉得泳池里有可卡因吗? You think there's cocaine in that pool?
可能是。 Might be.
他们会做他们喜欢做的事，他们会去跳舞， They would do their favorite things, they would go dancing,
他们会去试图修复他们后悔的事情。 they would go try to fix the thing they regretted.
某个迷人的夜晚。 Some enchanted evening.
布莱恩Dennehy Brian Dennehy
脱掉他的紧身衣，露出了这些神奇的外星人， peels back his body suit and reveals these sort of really magical aliens,
这些光柱飘过天空。 these sort of glowing beams that float through the skies.
这些老年人得到了机会 These older folks were offered the opportunity
离开地球和这些外星人一起永生 to leave Earth with these aliens and live forever.
到永远吗? Forever?
我们不知道永远是什么意思。 We don't know what forever means.
《茧》中的问题变成了，“这是在欺骗人类的死亡率吗?” The question in Cocoon becomes, "Is this cheating human mortality?"
我们的钟要用完了吗? Is our clock supposed to run out?
这是一部非常感人的电影。 It's a deeply, deeply moving film.
你能帮我吗? Can you help me?
我喜欢茧。 I adored Cocoon.
罗恩·霍华德(Ron Howard)能够触及这个男人挣扎的核心 Ron Howard is able to get to the heart of the man's struggle
或者女人的挣扎，并能够战胜它。 or the woman's struggle and be able to overcome it.
我喜欢罗恩·霍华德的一个原因是他是一个真正的故事讲述者。 one of the things I love about Ron Howard is that he is a true storyteller.
如果是喜剧或戏剧，或者是未来的作品， If it's a comedy or a drama or it's in the future,
或者是过去的事，或者就在此时此刻。 or if it's in the past, or if it's right here in this very moment.
自然对待我们的方式，我不介意欺骗她一点。 The way nature's been treating us, I don't mind cheating her a little.
我觉得罗恩·霍华德很在乎观众的感受 I feel like Ron Howard cares about how the audience feels
在电影的结尾。 at the end of the movie.
我们都去看了《疯狂的麦克斯》 We all went to see Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
巨大的电影。 Huge movie.
蒂娜·特纳，当时世界上最著名的流行歌手，在电台上有一首热门歌曲， Tina Turner, biggest pop star in the world at the time, had a hit song on the radio,
我们不需要另一个英雄。 We Don't Need Another Hero.
Thunderdome。 Thunderdome.
对不起。 Sorry.
我还记得《滚石》的封面， I remember the Rolling Stone cover, too,
梅尔·吉布森和蒂娜·特纳，你会说，哦，天哪，这太大了。 with Mel Gibson and Tina Turner, and you just went, oh man, this is big.
疯狂的麦克斯 Mad Max
Thunderdome之外。 Beyond Thunderdome.
后启示录的亚流派。 The post-apocalyptic sub-genre.
这让电影人的想象力得以驰骋。 It just allowed the filmmakers imagination to run wild.
你可以感受到过去的毁灭 You can feel the ruin of the past
因为他们只是想再次保住文明。 as they were just trying to hold on to civilization again.
这就是它的强大之处。 And that's what makes it powerful.
我们如何继续生活? How do we keep living?
文明如何重新成长? And how does civilization grow again?
有了“公路勇士”，你会很专注 With The Road Warrior, you're focused
靠汽油和痛苦过着日复一日的日子。 on gas and misery and just living day to day.
这个想法发展成尝试创造一种新资源 The idea develops into trying to create a new resource
利用甲烷，走向新的未来 using methane, to move toward a new future
这是可持续的。 that can be sustainable.
我对甲烷一无所知。 I don't know anything about methane.
你会铲屎，对吧? You can shovel shit, can't you?
蒂娜·特纳在银幕上太大了， Tina Turner was just so big on screen,
作为一名有色人种女性，掌控着整个局面。 being a woman of color and just sort of running that whole situation.
爆破大师，他们的竞争对手 The Master Blaster, you know, their competition
彼此之间。 between each other.
谁在掌管巴特镇? Who run Bartertown?
爆破大师掌管巴特镇。 Master Blaster runs Bartertown.
她试图强迫麦克斯 She tries to force Max
来执行她的命令，杀死爆破大师队的爆破手。 to do her bidding by killing the Blaster of the Master Blaster team.
这里是Thunderdome。 This is Thunderdome.
死亡在聆听， Death is listening,
第一个尖叫的人就会被干掉。 and will take the first man that screams.
我们在蹦极上进行了一场盛大而疯狂的战斗 We have this big, extravagant, perfectly insane fight on bungee
电线在这个Thunderdome里面。 cords inside this Thunderdome.
他们有一个非常具有威胁性的角色，他必须与之战斗。 They had that really menacing character that he's got to fight.
这是一个大块头，你以为他会把他拖地。 And it's this big dude, you think he's just going to mop the floor with him.
但另一件令人震惊的事是，当他们 But then the other thing that was sort of shocking, was when they took
摘下头盔，你就能感受到角色。 the helmet off, you've just sort of felt for the character.
你看到他是一个成年人 You saw that he was this person who was an adult
那是一个孩子，一瞬间，所有人的场景都变了。 that was a child, instantly, that scene changed for everybody.
我觉得那是一个神奇的时刻。 I think that was a magic moment.
《疯狂的麦克斯》有两部电影。 There are two movies in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
这是第一部电影， There's the first movie,
我们的男主角在他的装备被偷后在镇上游荡。 which has our hero wandering into part of town after his rig is stolen from him.
他被开除后还有一部电影。 Then there's this other movie after he gets kicked out.
他偶然发现了这些迷路的孩子 He stumbles across these sort of like lost children
在沙漠中央，他们显然是剩下的难民 in the middle of the desert, who are apparently the leftover refugees
很多很多年以前的一次飞机失事。 from an airliner crash from years and years and years ago.
这和这是两个故事的事实太脱节了， That was too disjointed with the fact it was two stories,
而《公路勇士》甚至《疯狂的麦克斯》的原作 whereas with Road Warrior and even with Mad Max the original,
从a到Z有直接的联系。 there was a direct correlation from A to Z.
有…… There's...
这是制作续集的独特挑战。 A unique challenge in doing sequels.
你要感谢一群观众，你要尊重他们。 There's an audience you're beholden to and you want to honor that.
然而，我们都觉得必须要独特地表达自己。 And yet we all feel compelled to express ourselves uniquely.
文明。 Civilization.
我愿意做任何事来保护它。 I'll do anything to protect it.
我们继续这个资源稀缺的主题。 We continue this theme of resource scarcity.
你不明白吗?这是水。你不能没有它。 Don't you understand? This is water. You can't live without it.
《疯狂的麦克斯:雷霆穹顶 Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
真正关注未来的预测和警告 really focuses the futuristic forecasts and the warning
如果我们不改变，不改变我们思考的方式 that if we don't change, if we don't alter the way we think
关于我们如何分享资源，我们最终会打架 about how we share resources, that we'll end up fighting
在未来的一个可能是沙漠的星球上使用这些资源。 over these resources in the future on a planet that could be a desert.
这是抢劫!谁敢动，他们就死定了! This is a stickup! Anybody moves, and they're dead meat!
每个人都害怕探险者会 Everybody was terrified that Explorers was going to
会大获成功，没人会想到《回到未来》。 was going to be such a big hit that nobody would think about Back to the Future.
冒险从你家后院开始。 The adventure begins in your own backyard.
这本来是派拉蒙的沃尔夫冈·彼得森的电影，他们决定了 It was supposed to be a Wolfgang Petersen movie for Paramount, and they decided
他们不想在巴伐利亚成功，这是他想做的， they didn't want to make it in Bavaria, which is what he wanted to do,
所以他们把沃尔夫冈踢出了电影，把剧本给了我。 and so they sort of kicked Wolfgang off the picture and sent me the script.
我认为这是一个非常棒的剧本，非常吸引人 I thought it was a terrific script and really fascinating, particularly
我刚从《小精灵》里走出来，非常折磨人 I'd just come off of Gremlins and it was very grueling and
既费时又困难，这是一部关于三个孩子的电影 time consuming and difficult, and here was a movie about three kids
他造了一艘宇宙飞船，我想，这就像休伊、杜威和路易。 who built a spaceship and I thought, this is just like Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
这就像， This is like,
你知道吗，拍完这部费力的特效电影之后再拍这个一定很有趣。 you know, this would be so much fun to do after this arduous special effects movie.
当然，没有意识到这是…… Well, not realizing, of course, that it was...
这不仅是一部费力的特效电影，而且还有孩子 Not only was this an arduous special effects movie, but had children
它只能在一天的特定时间工作 in it which can only work certain hours of the day
而且也没有第三幕。 and which also didn't have a third act.
很漂亮吧? It's pretty neat, huh?
尽管如此，我还是拍了这部电影，但在拍摄过程中， Nonetheless, I made the movie, but then in the middle of making it,
工作室易主 the studio changed hands
而新人们决定他们要把它放在未完工的地方。 and the new people decided they wanted to put it out on unfinished.
所以他们说:“不要再做了。我们要把它熄灭，因为 So they said, "Stop working on it. We're gonna put it out because
“这是去年老体制的电影，我们不在乎它能不能赚钱。 "it's last year's movie from the old regime and we don't care if it makes money.
“不管怎样，再见。” "Anyway, good bye."
我坚信有很多东西 I firmly believe there was a hell of a lot
搬进去总比让我们出去强。 better moving in there than we were allowed to get out.
最后，一切都不重要了。我们本可以放空片的 In the end, it didn't matter. We could have released a blank film
没有人会注意到。 and nobody would have noticed.
我总能找到和我有共鸣的孩子 I've always had a knack of finding kids that I could relate to
在个人层面上。 on a personal level.
如果你选对了演员，你就不需要做太多的导演工作。 If you cast your movie right, you don't have to do a lot of directing.
如果你选错了演员， And if you cast your movie wrong,
你要做很多导演和剪辑工作。 you have to do a lot of directing and a lot of editing.
但在这种情况下，这些孩子非常适合这个角色。 But in this case, these kids were perfect for the part.
令人难以置信的天才。 Incredibly talented.
这是伊森的第一部电影，他以前从来没有来过摄影棚。 And this was Ethan's first movie, he'd never been on the sound-stage before.
我一直在想上面有什么。 I can't stop thinking about what's up there.
他拿起相机的速度如此之快，以至于一些摄影师说， He picked it up so quickly that some of the camera people said,
“你确定这孩子不是专业的吗?” "Are you sure this kid isn't a professional?"
现在他做到了。 And now he is.
我的天啊。 Oh, my God.
她在那儿。 There she is.
在最初的剧本中，孩子们去了另一个星球 In the original script, the kids go to another planet
他们找到和自己一样的孩子，他们打棒球，然后回家。 and they find kids just like themselves and they play baseball and they go home.
我认为这对一部故事片来说是不够的。 And I didn't think that was enough for a feature film.
所以我们重新设计了它，让外星人确实像我们的孩子。 And so we reworked it so that the aliens are indeed like our kids.
但他们更像地球上的孩子，因为他们是产品 But they're even more like Earth kids because they're a product
收听地球广播 of listening to Earth broadcasts.
这里有电视吗? They get TV up here?
只是太空中的波。 Just waves in space.
所以他们用口头禅说话，试图和地球上的孩子们交流 So they speak in catchphrases, trying to communicate with the Earth kids
通过使用他们在广告中听到的短语， by using phrases that they've heard on commercials,
在电视上。 on television.
-我本。-我是泰山。 - Me Ben. - Me Tarzan.
事实证明，这并不是一个特别受欢迎的幻想。 This, it turned out, was not an especially popular conceit.
我们为和平而来。 We come in peace.
当伊桑·霍克 When Ethan Hawke
他说他这辈子都在等着和外星人说话外星人说， says that he's waited all his life to speak to aliens and the aliens says,
怎么了，医生? Ehhhhhh, what's up doc?
他很困惑。 He gets very confused.
观众也有点困惑，因为他变得失望 The audience also got a little confused, and because he became disappointed
这是一次伟大的太空冒险 in what had been promised as a great big space adventure
这样他就知道宇宙的秘密了。 that would give him the secret of the universe.
我想他们都是这么想的。 I think they all felt the same way.
但这没有任何意义。 But it doesn't make any sense.
他们以为我们就是这么说话的。 That's the way they think that we talk.
它是在“现场援助”音乐会当天开幕的，这也无济于事 It didn't help the fact that it opened on the day of the Live Aid concert
那里没人去看电影。 where nobody went to the movies.
然而，家庭视频的奇迹让它复活了，即使 However, the miracle of home video kind of resurrected it, and even though
这只是我想拍的电影的影子， it's only a shadow of the movie I was intending to make,
多年来，它仍然保持着它的流行。 it still has retained its popularity over the years.
太棒了! That was great!
你会怎么做 What would you do
如果你拥有你想要的一切? if you had everything you wanted?
环球影业 Universal Pictures presents
约翰·休斯的电影 a John Hughes film
奇怪的科学。 Weird Science.
这纯粹是性的。 It's purely sexual.
《奇葩科学》让我很有共鸣，因为我是个笨拙的孩子 Weird Science really resonated with me because I was an awkward kid
他热爱科技，只要想想， who loved technology and just to think of,
我可以突然变得很酷。 I could suddenly become cool.
这是少年时代的弗兰肯斯坦。 It was the teenage Frankenstein.
所以他们创造了这个美丽的女人。 So they created this beautiful woman.
我想那可能是 I think that was probably
这是每个极客的梦想。 every geek's dream.
你们这些小疯子想先做什么? What would you little maniacs like to do first?
我认为他最擅长的是， I think what he was best at,
约翰·休斯，是青少年的焦虑和被忽视。他的同情。 John Hughes, is teenage angst and being left out. His compassion for that.
我想，这真的引起了很多人的共鸣。 It really resonated, I think, to a lot of people.
哟!看看这个! Yo! Check this out!
青少年的生活, Teenage life,
谢天谢地，我已经不在那里了。哦,上帝。 thank God I'm not there anymore. Oh, God.
是你逼我的。 You made me.
你控制了我。 You control me.
凯利LeBrock。 Kelly LeBrock.
她有幽默感和性感 She had a sense of humor and a sexuality
还有自信和个性。 and a confidence and a personality.
我可以是一个真正的婊子。 I can be a real serious bitch.
她对这个角色的刻画是高尚的。 It was elevated, her portrayal of the character.
它让所有的东西都聚集在一起 And it made everything come together
应该是这样的。 the way it was supposed to.
你们最好放松点。 You guys have better loosen up.
其中一个主题是 one of the themes is
当心你的愿望。 be careful what you wish for.
用我们所有的技术去做错事 Using all of our technology to do something wrong
然后无法控制它，然后产生后果， and then not being able to control it, then having the consequences,
那就是我。 which is me.
我们最近读了什么好书，是吧? Tossed off to any good books lately, have we?
如果我长得像维兹，华纳兄弟会告得屁滚尿流的。 Warner Brothers were going to sue their ass off if I looked like Wez.
但他们还是让我看得很近 And yet they got me to look as close
像Wez一样 like Wez as is humanly possible.
当我来到环球影城的片场时， I walked around that set when I came onto it at Universal,
就像一栋可以拉动的两层楼的房子 like a two story house that could be pulled
分成两半在一个真正的两层楼的房子里拍摄。 into two halves to film in a real two story house.
当他们需要火箭穿过它时， And when they needed to have a rocket to go through it,
他们真的有火箭。 they actually had a rocket.
这个火箭的外壳 This actual shell of a rocket
是在环球影城26号台下建造的吗 was built under stage 26 at Universal
用液压上来，然后刺穿 to come up hydraulically and pierce
房子的实际楼层。 the actual floor of the set of the house.
那是一次机会。 And it was a one time shot.
这一幕真是太了不起了，就在约翰下令行动的时候 What a big deal this scene, right when John calls action
安东尼·迈克尔·霍尔放了一个无声但致命的屁。 Anthony Michael Hall farts a silent but deadly.
那得有几十万 It had to be a several hundred thousand
被一个屁毁了的金钱时刻。 dollar moment that got ruined by a fart.
这可不酷，伙计。 That's not cool, man.
如果你仔细看这部电影，我们又拍了一遍 If you watch the movie real closely, we did this scene again
他们把火箭放低，我们必须向后做所有的动作 and they lowered the rocket and we had to do all of our action backwards
然后他们倒着播放最后一段。 and then they ran it backwards for the final cut.
当时是一片混乱 It was massive anarchy
在电影的结尾，那部电影真的很像《戴帽子的猫》。 at the end of that movie, that movie truly is almost like the Cat in the Hat.
她就是戴帽子的猫。 She is the the Cat in the Hat.
我的天，诡异科学对我来说永远都是苏斯博士。 Oh, my god, Weird Science forever to me is now going to be Dr. Seuss.
你什么时候才能了解人们喜欢你的真面目， When are you gonna learn people like you for what you are,
不是为了你能给他们什么。 not for what you can give them.
《奇葩科学》的终极主题是 The ultimate theme of Weird Science was
做你自己，你还是会得到那个女孩的。 be yourself and you'll still get the girl.
我爱你! I love you!
也许不是那个女孩 It may not be that girl,
但你还是会得到那个女孩的。 but you'll still get the girl.
趴下，给我20分钟。 Drop and give me 20.
当我还是个孩子的时候，我对航天飞机项目非常兴奋 I was really excited by the Space Shuttle program as a kid
因为它把人送回了太空。 because it was putting people back in space.
第一架航天飞机。 The first space shuttle.
这在我的一生中还没有发生过。 That hadn't happened in my lifetime to that point.
航天飞机的神奇之处在于它所承载的承诺， The space shuttle was amazing because of what promise it held,
我们可以更频繁，更便宜地做这件事。 which was we were going to be able to do this much more often, much more cheaply.
他们将第一架航天飞机命名为企业号 The fact that they named the very first Space Shuttle Enterprise
真的很酷，让我觉得自己被看到了，因为我是《星际迷航》中的一员 was really cool and made me feel seen because I was a Star Trek
我就想，哇，他们用我喜欢的一个电视节目来命名真正的科学。 nerd and I was like, wow, they named real science after a TV show that I like.
那真的很酷。 That's really cool.
那辆车开到大楼的拐角处， The vehicle came around the corner of the building,
后面是航天飞机， and in tow was the shuttle craft,
穿过航天飞机的机头 and across the nose of the shuttle craft
上面写着“进取号”。 were the words The Enterprise.
把我打晕了。 Knocked me out.
我的观点完全改变了，我说:“我们是真诚的 My perspective just totally changed, and I said, "We are genuinely
“在某种程度上，是历史的一部分。” "in some small way, a part of history."
突然间，太空计划中最高形式的技术 Suddenly, the highest form of technology in the space program
变成了人们非常熟悉的东西。 became something extremely familiar to everyday people.
我们不再只是观众了。 We're not just in the audience anymore.
现在我们可以成为航天飞机冒险的一部分了。 Now we can become a part of the adventure when it's a space shuttle.
你开始看像《生命之力》和《18号机库》这样的电影， You start to see these films like Lifeforce and Hangar 18,
以及以航天飞机为中心的“太空营地”二号飞机。 and Airplane II, SpaceCamp, that have at the center of them, the Space Shuttle.
进行主机测试。 Go for main engine test.
它是连接我们现实世界的桥梁 It was this great bridge between our reality
和梦幻般的想象世界 and the fantastic imagined world
关于未来。 of the future.
几乎到了我们很快就能买到票的地步， It was almost to the point where soon we're going to be able to get a ticket,
你知道，绕地球飞行。 you know, and take a flight around the Earth.
我和史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格关系很好，我们都 I was pretty close with Steven Spielberg, and we would both
谈论想去和想去，因为他们在谈论 talk about wanting to go and wanting to go, because they were talking about
比如艺术家，电影制作人，诗人。 taking an artist, taking a filmmaker, taking a poet.
我想走出去，站在摄像机后面，在那里拍摄。 I'd like to go out and be behind the camera, photographing up there.
每个人都以为 Everyone just assumed
太空旅行很安全，你知道吗? that space travel was so safe, you know?
三，二，一……和发射! three, two, one... And liftoff!
我在拍一部电视电影。 I was shooting a TV movie.
我们都围在电视屏幕旁 We all gathered around a television screen
观看这个壮观的事件，因为我们也知道 to watch this spectacular event because we also knew
因为船上有平民，所以特别特别。 that there were civilians aboard, so it made it extra special.
我在纽约剪辑一个视频，我们被打断了。 I was in New York, editing a video production, we were interrupted.
有人走进来说， Someone came in and said,
“挑战者号刚刚爆炸了。” "The Challenger has just exploded."
挑战者，加速油门。挑战者，加速油门。 - Challenger, go at throttle up. - Challenger, go at throttle up.
它就像一把刀插在了我的心上。 And it just like stuck a knife in my heart.
每秒2900英尺，高度9海里， 2,900 feet per second, altitude nine nautical miles,
距离7海里。 downrange distance seven nautical miles.
我们都站在那里受了惊吓。 We were all standing there just in shell shock.
这是……这是不可想象的。 It was something... It was unthinkable.
绝对是毁灭性的。 Absolutely devastating in every possible way.
教师和太空计划的第一位老师 The first teacher in the teachers and space program
而第一批非裔美国宇航员之一 was killed, and one of the first African-American astronauts
在挑战者号爆炸中丧生 was killed on the Challenger explosion.
克丽丝塔·麦考利夫的父母在海滩上抬头看着那个变态的 That shot of Christa McAuliffe's parents on the beach looking up at that twisted
跟踪，知道有什么不对劲却不知道是怎么回事。 contrail, knowing something's wrong and not knowing quite what it was.
这一形象已深入人心 That image is seared into the minds
很多人都看到了。 of a lot of people who saw that.
今天是哀悼和纪念的日子。 Today is a day for mourning and remembering.
他们渴望探索宇宙，发现宇宙的真相。 They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover its truths.
他们为我们所有人服务。 They served all of us.
他们，挑战者号的船员，是先驱者。 They, the members of the Challenger crew, were pioneers.
我想这是我们的第一次尝试 I think it was our first taste
它真正的危险。 of the genuine danger of it.
我只记得我很害怕 I just remember being so afraid
这将是人类太空飞行的终结。 that this was going to be the end of human space flight.
看在上帝的份上，他们不会派老师来， They wouldn't have sent a teacher up, for God's sakes,
如果他们知道有的话 you know, if they knew that there was some
有可能是悲剧吗。 any chance at all of it being tragic.
凯伦·艾伦 Karen Allen,
巴里Bostwick。 Barry Bostwick.
-你们是很棒的团队。-好，太好了! - You’re a wonderful crew. - Fine, that’s great!
挑战者。 Challenger.
我们只是想缅怀这些回忆 We just wanted to honor the memories
以及最初那些宇航员的天赋和英雄主义。 and the talent and the heroism of those original astronauts.
不仅仅是 It was not only
那些失踪的人，那些被杀的人， the people who were lost, who were killed,
但受损的是程序本身。 but it was the program itself had been damaged.
人类前进的方向 The human race's forward movement toward
太空的未来 a future in space
在这个星球之外，我曾为之欢呼 beyond this planet, something I had cheered for
从我小时候开始 since the time I was a kid.
《星际迷航4》的献词 The dedication of Star Trek IV
对挑战者号的船员来说是一种承认 to the crew of the Challenger was a way of acknowledging
这是一个问题，需要付出代价 that there is a question and a price to be paid
勇敢地走下去 for going boldly
人们从未去过的地方。 where people haven't gone before.
当剧院的灯光变暗，献礼开始时， When the lights dimmed in the theater and the dedication came on,
你可以听到一根针掉在地上的声音，然后是掌声。 you could hear a pin drop for a moment and then applause.
科幻小说迷则更专注 Science fiction fans, they're much more focused
可能性比危险更重要 on the possibilities than the dangers
每个任务都是生死攸关的 that every mission is life and death.
挑战者号灾难 And the Challenger disaster
就好像我生命中最亲爱的人死了一样。 was as if someone dear to me in my life had died.
我说:“我们必须从这一切中走出来。 I said, "We've got to come back from this.
“这并不容易， "It will not be easy,
“但我们必须回来，我们必须继续前进。” "but we've got to come back and we've got to keep going forward."
谢天谢地，我们就这么做了。 And thank goodness, that's what we did.
约翰·巴德姆是最后一批功利主义导演之一。 John Badham is among the last of the utilitarian directors.
他可以导演任何东西:动作、喜剧、轻喜剧、浪漫，应有尽有 He could just direct anything: action, comedy, light comedy, romance, you name it
约翰·巴德姆可以做到。短路, John Badham could do it. Short Circuit,
它证明了这一点。 it proved this as much as anything else.
短路。 Short Circuit.
我还活着。 I am alive.
它是外星人的一部分， It's part E.T,
只不过它不是外星人，而是机器人。 only instead of it being an alien, it's a robot.
欢迎来到我的星球! Welcome to my planet!
还有Steve Guttenberg And you got Steve Guttenberg
还有爱丽·希迪，还有那个本该是印度裔美国人的家伙， and Ally Sheedy, and the guy who was supposed to be an Indian-American,
但实际上由Fisher Stevens扮演。 but is actually being played by Fisher Stevens.
它只是电线和一些机械装置 It's only being wires and several mechanisms and other
这样的机器，看在上帝的份上。 such machine-type apparatus, for the Pete of sake.
今天，我不确定你是否可以这样做。 Today, I'm not sure you could get away with that.
你是哪里人? Where are you from, anyway?
贝克斯菲尔德。 Bakersfield originally.
-不，我是说你的祖先。-哦，他们。匹兹堡。 - No, I mean your ancestors. - Oh, them. Pittsburgh.
艾丽·希迪还是个小女孩时， Ally Sheedy, as a young girl,
我敬仰，我爱，我崇拜。 I looked up to, I loved and adored.
故障。 Malfunction.
哦，你会说话! Oh, you can talk!
短路是一种看守式的友谊纽带。 Short Circuit is a caretaker friendship bond.
这个机器人找到自己人性的概念。 This concept of this robot finding his humanity.
我需要信息。我必须学习一切。 I need information. I must learn everything.
我还活着。 I am alive.
天哪，你识字了! Holy crow you can read!
他有一种古怪的， And he has this quirky,
外向，性格古怪，和我很像，所有电影里都是这样的 outgoing, weird personality, much like me, that was based on all of the movies
和他学到的流行文化。 and pop culture that he had picked up.
伪装!伪装! Disguise! Camouflage!
——你好!- 5号! - Hi! - Number 5!
有一种快乐的感觉 There's a sense of joy
对那部电影，对生活和冒险的感觉。 to that movie and a sense of life and a sense of adventure.
他是一种军事武器，可以摧毁任何东西 He's built as a military weapon of war that can destroy things with like
一个激光螺栓。 a single laser bolt.
你好,艾尔! Hello, bozos!
但作为一个孩子，你看不到这一点。 But as a kid, you don't see that.
你不会想这些，你会觉得，他还活着。 You don't think about that, you're just like, he's alive.
约翰尼5。 Johnny 5.
他只是说:“不，我要闻闻花香，出去逛逛 He's just like, "No, I'm going to smell flowers and hang out
“跳舞或者交朋友之类的”，这真的是一个很好的前提。 "and dance or make friends or whatever", which was really neat premise.
那部电影里我最喜欢的时刻之一就是他不小心踩了一脚 one of my favorite moments in that movie is when he accidentally steps
在一只蚱蜢身上。 on a grasshopper.
-看看你做了什么!——错误。 - Look what you did! - Error.
他突然意识到 And he has this moment where he realizes
他是凡人。 that he's mortal.
拆卸。 Disassemble.
死了。 Dead.
拆卸! Disassemble!
死了! Dead!
意识到自己的死亡是最深刻、最深刻的 Being aware of your own mortality is one of the deepest, most profoundly
人类的东西，它驱动着我们，造就了我们。 human things, and that drives us and that makes us what we are.
我当然知道杀人是不对的，但谁告诉你的? Of course I know it's wrong to kill, but who told you?
我告诉过我自己。 I told me.
《短路》做得非常非常好 What Short Circuit does really, really well
它能让你感受到这种金属。 it makes you feel for this metal.
它有一些，你知道，歪歪扭扭的小眉毛之类的， It's got some, you know, wonky little eyebrows or whatever,
他有自己的可爱之处， and he's cute in his own sort of way,
但他是金属的，对吧? but he's metal, right?
但在电影的最后，你会觉得，“不，强尼5还活着。 And yet by the end of that movie, you're like, "No, Johnny 5 is alive.
“你不能把他拆散。” "You can't disassemble him."
不要开枪! Don't shoot!
不要开枪!他还活着! Don't shoot! He's alive!
他还活着! He's alive!
你能感觉到，有时候很难知道 You feel for it, and it's hard to know sometimes
这是否只是另一种方式 whether that's just another part of the way
人类天生就会将事物拟人化 that humans are hardwired to sort of anthropomorphize things
或者我们是否真的要 or whether that's a thing that we're going to have to really sort of
担心未来。 worry about in the future.
也许约翰尼。 Maybe Johnny.
是啊!约翰尼5。它很酷。 Yeah! Johnny 5. It's cool.
《异形》是我看过的最恐怖的电影之一。 Alien is one of the most frightening movies I've ever seen.
《异形》是关于生存的， Alien is about survival,
《异形》是关于更大的内容。 Aliens is about something bigger.
外星人。 Aliens.
这一次是战争。 This time it's war.
这是一部太空战争片。 It's a war film in space.
外星人，征兵， Aliens, the draft,
吉姆的行名叫做“太空咕噜”。 the running name that Jim had, was called Grunts in Space.
卡梅隆正在写《兰博2》 Cameron was writing Rambo II
和外星人几乎同时出现。 and Aliens pretty much simultaneously.
他们彼此交融，《异形》成了一部越南电影。 And they kind of bled into one another and Aliens became a Vietnam film.
潜意识里，它是关于军队在炮火下， Subconsciously, it was sort of about troops going under fire,
面对一个他们看不见的敌人。 against an enemy they couldn't see.
我们走吧!我们走吧! Let's go! Let's go!
另一个故事是关于母女的。女王 The other story was a story about mothers and daughters. The queen
和她的孩子们对抗雷普利和她的养子。 and her children fighting against Ripley and her adopted child.
你立即 You instantly
同情和需要拯救这个见过她的小女孩 feel for and need to rescue this little girl who's seen her
父母被杀了，还是拿出了生存的智慧。 parents killed and is still come up with the wits to survive.
这里有一种非常神秘和原始的东西。 There's a very mythic and primal thing going on here.
现在是熊妈妈对熊妈妈。 This is now Mama Bear versus Mama Bear.
离她远点，你个贱人! Get away from her, you bitch!
在拍摄的时候，很明显， At the time of filming, obviously,
我真的不知道它有多大 I didn't really have any idea of the magnitude
雷普利的性格，或者瓦斯奎兹的性格或者我的性格。 of the character Ripley, or the character of Vasquez or my character.
这是非常重要的，尤其是在80年代，拥有 It was so important, especially in the '80s, having
女人是它的中心，女人拿着火焰喷射器。 the female be the center of it, the female with the flame thrower.
雌性才是真正的 The females are the ones that are
负责。 taking charge.
你曾被误认为是男人吗? Have you ever been mistaken for a man?
不。有你吗? No. Have you?
它开始了这个运动， It began this movement,
对未来有着巨大的影响 a huge impact on the future
动作片和科幻电影。 of action movies and sci fi movies.
我们做了手术 We did operate
最好是海军陆战队的队员。 like as best as possible, a marine crew.
艾尔·马修斯，我是阿彭中士。 Al Matthews, Sergeant Apone.
好了，亲爱的，你们听到他说的了 All right sweethearts, you heard the man
你知道该怎么做，屁股和手肘… and you know the drill, assholes and elbows...
事实上，他是前绿色贝雷帽成员， He was, in fact, a former Green Beret,
所以我们所有好莱坞类型的人，你知道，会端庄 so all of us Hollywood types, you know, would demure
并时刻服从他。 and defer to him at all times.
你还在等什么，在床上吃早餐吗? What are you waiting for, breakfast in bed?
又是部队里光荣的一天。 Another glorious day in the corps.
这种凝聚力是在内部和周围形成的 The cohesiveness was really formed in and around
早上训练，然后是排练过程。 training in the morning and then also the rehearsal process.
那时，希克斯由詹姆斯·雷玛扮演。 And at that time, Hicks was played by James Remar.
雷马尔的参与就能成功 Remar's involvement would have made it
甚至更强烈。 even more intense.
他离开的原因与他的演技无关。 Why he had to leave had nothing to do with his acting.
然而，这是相当令人震惊的 However, it was quite shocking
失去你电影中的一个主角。 to lose one of the leads of your film.
我们都为迈克尔·比恩感到难过。 We all felt for Michael Biehn.
你还好吗? Are you all right?
他真的穿上了雷马尔的服装 He literally jumped into Remar’s costume
创造了他自己版本的希克斯。 and created his version of Hicks.
我喜欢把这个放在手边 I like to keep this handy
为了近距离接触。 for close encounters.
比尔·帕克斯顿是我们乐队的粘合剂。 Bill Paxton was the glue of our set.
看看，我是终极坏蛋! Check it out, I am the ultimate badass!
这是很重要的 And that's actually something
西格妮·韦弗在他的追悼会上说的话 that Sigourney Weaver said at his memorial.
哟!别笑了，把衣服放下。 Yo! Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen.
说我们想念比尔·帕克斯顿还真是轻描淡写。 To say we miss Bill Paxton is a true understatement.
有时候我还是很敬畏，我的天啊， Sometimes I'm still in awe, like, oh my gosh,
我演过詹姆斯·卡梅隆的电影。 I was in a James Cameron movie.
它们大多在晚上来。 And they mostly come at night.
主要是。 Mostly.
西格妮只是在片场照顾我。 Sigourney just took care of me on set.
我们在蛋里的时候，外星人蚁后就在我们面前， When we were in the eggs with the queen alien in front of us and everything,
那是一个非常可怕的情况，所有的火在我们周围。 that was a very scary situation with all the fire going on around us.
如果你看电影的话，她会把我推到她身后。 If you watch in the movie, she's going like pushing me behind her.
那是自然反应。 That was a natural response.
我相信对所有在片场的人来说，这都很困难 I'm sure for everyone on set, it was very difficult
他们可能有点担心。 and they probably were a little bit concerned.
过去几年，我见过所有人， The last few years that I've seen everyone,
他们会问，你做噩梦了吗? they've actually asked, did you have nightmares?
我们对你的心理有影响吗? Did we like affect you psychologically?
但事实并非如此。 And it didn't.
他们会向我展示建造东西的过程。 They would show me the process of building something.
他们会告诉我这是怎么回事。 They would show me then how it was going to work.
有时他们会朝我扔东西 Sometimes they'd throw something at me
试着得到我对恐惧的自然反应，不同的事情。 to try to get my natural reaction of a scare, different things like that.
那时候，我很怕狗， At the time, I was definitely afraid of dogs,
所以我就假装外星人是狗 so I just pretended like the aliens were dogs
来找我。 coming after me.
这个外星人过来抓住了我，这太可怕了， This alien comes up and grabs me, and it is terrifying,
然而，对我来说，是我的朋友，他是一个穿着西装的特技演员 however, for me, it was my friend who was a stunt man in a suit
然后他们把头戴上，然后我们就走了。 and then they put the head on, and off we go.
对我来说，这很正常，但却很不正常， To me, it was normal, which is so abnormal,
真的，如果你回头看的话。 really, if you look back at it.
吉姆真的很保护她，确保她一直受到保护， Jim really took her under a wing and made sure she was protected at all times,
帕克斯顿和她形成了一种真正的慈父般的关系。 and Paxton actually formed a really sort of avuncular relationship with her.
当你把兰斯，保罗·雷瑟和比尔·帕克斯顿召集在一起时，就有麻烦了。 When you got Lance, Paul Reiser and Bill Paxton together, there was trouble.
让我们都轻松愉快，这很好。 Keeping us all light hearted, which is nice.
你要我怎么做，给你拿拖鞋吗? What do you want me to do, fetch your slippers for ya?
哎呀，是吗，先生?我很乐意。 Gee, would you, sir? I'd like that.
我每次去参加会议都很惊讶 I'm always amazed when I go to a convention
有多少军人在部署之前来找我说， how many military people come up to me and say before they deployed,
他们看《异形》是因为它带来了团结的感觉 they watched Aliens because it brought that feeling of unity
在一起。 together.
你太差劲了。 You're just too bad.
我有一次奇妙的经历。 I had an amazing experience.
这绝对是千载难逢的机会。 It was definitely once in a lifetime opportunity.
快跑! Run!
当你走出来站在上面的时候 When you come out and you're up here on top,
你还能走多远? how much further can you go?
对人类来说还不错。 Not bad for a human.
航海家号的飞行是愿望的实现 Flight of the Navigator was wish fulfillment
每12岁。 for every 12 year old.
这是一个关于时间旅行的故事， It's a story about time travel,
关于外星人的接触和联系， about alien contact and connection,
未来科技，来自其他星球的生物 futuristic technology, creatures from other planets
接下来是大卫·弗里曼的旅程 and then under it, the journey of David Freeman
找到回家的路回到他真正的家人身边。 to find his way back home to his true family.
除了他，所有人的时代都变了。 Time has changed for everyone except him.
他才12岁，他的家人也越来越老了。 He's still 12 years old and his family has gotten older.
似乎我们…… It seems that we...
大卫。 David.
这是他如何适应的故事 It's the story of how he adjusts
以及他如何试图解决这个问题。 and how he tries to undo that problem.
已经走了八年了。 Been gone for eight years.
去哪儿，外太空吗? Gone where, outer space?
为了找到乔伊·克莱默，我们拍摄了数百个孩子的录像。 We videotaped hundreds of kids to find Joey Cramer.
当我看到他的时候，我就知道他就是那个孩子。 And when I saw him, I just knew that that was the kid.
随它去，随它去。 Let it go, let it go.
这是其中的关键因素 A key element in why
我得到《航海家的飞行》的角色就是因为这个 I got the part in Flight of the Navigator was because of that
情感上的可用性，能够与人沟通 emotional availability, being able to connect
现实地哭泣。 and cry realistically.
这就像一场噩梦。 It's like a bad dream.
这是整部电影的关键，也是我认为它仍然能引起共鸣的原因 The key to the whole movie and the reason I think it still resonates
是人类的戏剧。 is the human drama.
现在是1986年，伙计。 It's 1986, man.
从那晚到现在已经8年了。 Eight years since that night.
Randal Kleiser是一个了不起的导演，他能真正激发出我的潜能 Randal Kleiser was an amazing director and was able to really bring things out of me
这样我才能真正沉浸在那个世界里。 so I could really immerse myself in that world.
剧本是关于儿童，特效和动物， The script was children, special effects and animals,
虽然都是否定的，但我觉得这是一个令人兴奋的挑战。 which are all no no's, but I found it to be an exciting challenge.
离这里20英里就行。 Just take us 20 miles from here.
兼容。 Compliant.
你在做什么? What are you doing?
马克达蒙 Mark Damon
想和政府拍一部动作片 wanted to make an action movie with the government
试图击落宇宙飞船和许多爆炸之类的东西。 trying to shoot down the spaceship and lots of explosions and stuff.
迪士尼想拍一部家庭剧。 And Disney wanted to make a family drama.
所以我被夹在中间想让他们俩都开心， So I was caught in the middle trying to make them both happy,
我觉得这让电影更有趣了。 and I think that made the movie a little more interesting.
你能听懂吗? Can you follow it?
遵循吗?我甚至看不见它。 Follow it? I can't even see it.
我想找一艘与众不同的飞船 I wanted to find a spaceship that was different
从我看过的所有电影里 from all the movies I'd seen.
哇! Wow!
尖端的CGI， Cutting edge CGI,
有一点在里面，它挺得住。 there's a little bit of it in there, and it holds up.
当我第一次走进室内的时候 When I first walked into that set of the interior
宇宙飞船，那凉爽的反光聚酯薄膜，我记得我被它震撼了。 spaceship, that cool, reflective mylar, I remember just being blown away by it.
太酷了。 It was so cool.
-我是一艘Trimaxion无人飞船。——Trimaxion ? - I'm a Trimaxion Drone Ship. - Trimaxion?
——肯定的。-好吧，我叫你麦克斯，这样比较容易。 - Affirmative. - Okay, I'll call you Max, It's easier.
我们想要Max这个角色 We wanted this character of Max
有个性，但他还是个机器人。 to have a personality, and yet he was a robot.
我只是个孩子。 I'm just a kid.
这是显而易见的。但你的大脑已经被编程了 That is obvious. But your brain has been programmed
所有合适的星图。 with all appropriate star charts.
在大脑转移之前，麦克斯 Before the mind transfer, Max
听起来就像外星飞船，他说，坐下，领航员。 just sounds like an alien spaceship, and he's like, sit down navigator.
请坐，领航员。 Sit down, navigator.
你永远不会知道那是皮威·赫尔曼或保罗·鲁本斯。 You would never know that it was Pee-wee Herman or Paul Reubens.
我想一定是搞错了。 I think there's been some sort of mistake.
我从不犯错。 I do not make mistakes.
然后当他扫描男孩的大脑时， And then when he scans the boy's brain,
我们让他演皮威·赫尔曼这个角色。 we let him do the character Pee-Wee Herman.
-就这样?-够了，戴维! - That's it? - That's it Davy!
和木偶一起工作，那个世界真的很酷。 Working with the puppets and that world was really cool.
它们都被安置在太空玻璃容器中。 They were all built into the set, the space terrarium.
奇怪。 Weird.
我喜欢这个大眼球。 I love the big eyeball.
我爱你。 I love you.
真正特别的是什么 What's really special
《领航员飞行》是它的核心。 about Flight of the Navigator is the heart of it.
失去家庭，重新团聚， Losing the family, getting the family back together,
我希望它有迪斯尼那种温暖的感觉，但又不甜腻。 it has that warm Disney feeling without being saccharine, I hope.
再见,戴维。 Goodbye, Davy.
太有趣了。 It was so much fun.
人们喜欢它。 People love it.
我很自豪也很感激能成为其中的一员。 I'm so proud and grateful to be part of it.
再见，短吻鳄! See you later alligator!
乔治·卢卡斯呈现了一部激动人心的新喜剧。 George Lucas presents an electrifying new comedy.
霍华德鸭子 Howard the Duck
《霍华德鸭子》讲的是一只来自外太空的鸭子， Howard the Duck is about a duck that comes from outer space,
不小心被指向错误方向的激光吸了下去。 is sucked down accidentally by some laser pointed in the wrong direction.
他只想回家。 All he wants is to go home.
我可不想被困在这里。 I've got no intention of being stranded here.
然后他遇到了这个 Then he meets up with this
全是由丽娅·汤普森领衔的女子乐队。 all girl band fronted by Lea Thompson.
我喜欢早期的漫画。 I love the early comics.
为漫画创作霍华德的史蒂夫·戈伯是我的一个朋友。 Steve Gerber, who created Howard for the comics, was a friend of mine.
很多人进去后想，哦，霍华德，可爱的小鸭子， A lot of people went in and thought, oh, Howard, cute, duck,
期待更多的家庭电影，他们真的拍了 expecting much more of a family film, and they had actually taken
更成熟的霍华德故事 the more adult storytelling of the Howard
鸭子漫画。 the Duck comics.
一定是交配季节。 Must be mating season.
没有一部是g级的。 None of it was G-rated.
我喜欢粗俗的喜剧。 I love irreverent comedy.
孩子只是小大人 Kids are just little adults
缺乏洞察力。当我还是个孩子的时候，我就想， with a lack of discernment. For me as a kid, I was like,
有一只会说话的鸭子，它很凶猛。 There's a talking duck and he's sassy.
嗯，性感。有些人有，有些人没有。 Well, sex appeal. Some guys got it, and some guys don't.
霍华德…… Howard...
这太棒了。 This is great.
Lea Thompson是我的女朋友。 Lea Thompson was my girl.
她抱着我说，“哦，我的男人鸭子。” She hugged me and she goes, "Oh, my man-duck."
你真棒，小鸭。 You are great, ducky.
《鸭子霍华德》是我的第一部电影。 Howard the Duck was my very first film, ever.
丽娅一直在对我耳语， Lea was one who kept whispering to me,
"听着，不要害怕说不"因为主要特技都是我做的， "Listen, don't be afraid to say no", because I did all the major stunts,
除了飞机。 except the airplane.
他们想要的是霍华德鸭子 Well, they wanted Howard the Duck
很前卫，很有人情味，但他们觉得，我们也应该拍一部家庭电影。 to be edgy and a doll, but they thought, well, we got to make it a family film too.
我不知道这两件事是否真的有效。 And I don't know that those two things really work.
它是如此的逼真和真实! It's so life-like and realistic!
走开! Bug off!
《鸭子霍华德》是一部首映的PG级电影 Howard the Duck is a PG rated movie that opens
和一个裸上身的鸭子和鸭胸，如果真的有这种东西的话。 with a topless duck and duck boobs if there is, in fact, such a thing .
还有一些蓝色的笑话 And there are a few blue jokes
在《鸭子霍华德》中，Lea Thompson登场了 in Howard the Duck, Lea Thompson opens up
这个钱包里找到了一种鸭子避孕套。 this wallet and finds a sort of duck condom.
没有，钱包里有套吗? No, there's a condom in the wallet?
为什么他们会认为这是一部家庭电影? Why would they think that's a family movie?
疯了! Crazy!
霍华德…… Howard...
不幸的是，你有这种感觉 Unfortunately, you got this vibe,
那只鸭子要和Lea Thompson一起做 that the duck is going to do it with Lea Thompson.
你可以试一试。 You could always give it a try.
他是只吸着雪茄的小喇叭狗， He's a little cigar smoking horn dog,
他的星球上有女人，所以他来了。 and he gets the women on his planet, so he's here.
所以在罗马的时候…他向她示好，她揭穿了他的骗局。 So when in Rome... And he came on to her, and she called his bluff.
我无法抗拒你强烈的动物魅力。 I just can't resist your intense animal magnetism.
作为一个成年人，看到 As an adult, seeing
霍华德这只鸭子在人类女人的床上醒来，这有点可疑。 Howard the Duck wake up in a bed with a human lady, it's a little questionable.
有很多不利于它的因素，没有足够的支持。 There were a lot of things going against it and not enough going for it.
《鸭子霍华德》绝对是他的第一部大制作作品。 Willard Huyck, Howard the Duck was definitely his first big budget production.
威拉德拍了20、30、40次…… Willard would shoot 20, 30, 40 takes of just this...
减少!再做一次。 Cut! Do it again.
威拉德和格洛丽亚不太明白。 Willard and Gloria didn't quite get it.
我看到整个事情都变糟了， I saw the whole thing going south, you know,
因为他们在做决定时遇到了困难。 because they were having trouble making decisions like in everything.
导演崩溃了。 The director had a meltdown.
我也崩溃了。 I had a meltdown, too.
于是卢卡斯就来导演了。 And so Lucas came in to direct.
他毫不留情。 He didn't pull punches.
不是被动的攻击力，而是攻击力。 Not so passive aggressive, more aggressive.
你和娃娃脸会赢的!对吧，Zits先生? You and Babyface are gonna beat it! Right, Mr. Zits?
在我生气之前! Before I get really mad!
这项技术 The technology
只是没有让霍华德显得可信 just wasn't there to make Howard believable.
如果你不相信霍华德，那整部电影就完蛋了。 And if you didn't believe Howard, then the whole movie falls apart.
这是什么? What's this?
外星鸭子的概念让我崩溃了。 The notion of an alien duck cracked me up.
世界上有那么多小巷，那晚我可能会掉进去。 Of all the alleys in the world I could have fallen into that night.
为什么一定是你的? Why did it have to be yours?
但说到底，这真的只是一个穿着鸭子装的人 But at the end of the day, it really is just a guy in a duck suit
讲黄色笑话，我认为这是霍华德鸭子的终极问题。 telling dirty jokes, and I think that's the ultimate problem of Howard the Duck.
鸭子想和女孩做爱。 The duck wanted to do it with the girl.
这不是你想的那样。我们只是非常要好的朋友。 This is not what you think. We're just very good friends.
《星际迷航4:归航 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
我一看到好主意就知道。 I know a good idea when I see one.
我知道《星际迷航4》会取得巨大成功。 I knew that Star Trek IV was going to be an enormous success.
我读了之后说:“这个故事应有尽有。” I read it and I said, "This story has it all."
不要靠近地球。 Do not approach earth.
轨道探测器的传输对这个星球造成了严重的破坏。 The transmissions of an orbiting probe are causing critical damage to this planet.
伦纳德·尼莫伊用《星际迷航3》证明了他是一个有能力的导演。 Leonard Nimoy had proven with Star Trek III that he was a capable director.
所以当导演《星际迷航4》的时候， So when it came time to direct Star Trek IV,
当时他有能力进行谈判。 he was then in a position to negotiate.
我想做点不一样的事。 I want to do something different.
我们要尝试时间旅行。 We're going to attempt time travel.
我们会让事情变得轻松，我们会有更多的乐趣。 And we're going to lighten things up, we're going to have more fun.
你能告诉我阿拉米达的海军基地怎么走吗? Can you direct me to the naval base in Alameda?
那是他们存放核武器的地方。 It's where they keep the nuclear wessels.
我要写喜剧。 I got to write comedy.
有一份之前哈维和莱纳德一起编造的故事草稿。 There was a previous draft of a story that Harve and Leonard had concocted together.
有人告诉我，艾迪·墨菲(Eddie Murphy)将扮演重要角色。 I was told that it had a big role for Eddie Murphy.
我的朋友唐恩·斯蒂尔，当时是制片主管， My friend Dawn Steele, who was head of production at the time,
她说:“我们遇到了一个问题，我们将在一个月后投产。 she said, "We have a problem, we're going into production in a month.
“我们不会使用剧本。我们必须重新开始。” "We're not going to use the script. We have to start over."
所以我穿过停车场去了他们的办公室， So I walked across the lot to their office,
他们给我讲了鲸鱼的故事。 and they told me the story about the whales.
正如人们所怀疑的那样，无人机传送的是鲸鱼的歌声。 As suspected, the drone's transmissions are the songs sung by whales.
哈维说:“我要在外太空写那些部分， And Harve said, "I'll write the parts in outer space,
“你在地球上写剧本，在旧金山。” "and you write the parts on Earth, in San Francisco."
我说:“旧金山?和《时光荏苒》是同一部电影。” and I said, "San Francisco? That's the same movie as Time after Time."
我们能去别的地方吗? Can we go someplace else?
为什么我们不能去巴黎? Why can't we go to Paris?
他们说， And they said,
因为鲸鱼是塞不进塞纳河的，你知道的。 Well, because the whales wouldn't fit in the Seine or some - you know.
我把从《时间》里剪下来的东西放进了这部电影里。 And I took stuff that I'd cut out of Time after Time and threw it into this movie.
你知道，浪费，不要，不要扔掉任何东西。 You know, waste not want not never throw anything away.
在镜头前和镜头后都很复杂。 Very complicated to be in front of the camera and behind the camera.
《星际迷航4》是他的作品 Star Trek IV is something that he worked on
在他们为电影开拍之前，真的很重。 really heavily before they ever shot it for the film.
他很清楚自己在做什么，有一个清晰的愿景， He really knew what he was doing, had a clear vision going in,
我想这才是救了他的真正原因。 and I think that's what really saved him.
我给你100美元。 I'll give you 100 dollars.
很多吗? Is that a lot?
《星际迷航4》最终成为一部非常通俗易懂的电影， Star Trek IV ends up becoming a very accessible film,
即使不是《星际迷航》的粉丝。 even for non Star Trek fans.
你怎么不看路，你个笨蛋! Why don't you watch where you're going, you dumbass!
你真是个笨蛋! Double dumbass on you!
每一个笑都是努力的， Every laugh is earned,
每一次笑都是真诚的。 every laugh is honest.
大家都记得我们把车停在哪里了。 Everybody remember where we parked.
我以为比尔之间的那场戏 I thought the scene between Bill
车里的莱纳德很迷人 and Leonard in the car was just charming.
真是令人愉快。 It was just delightful.
你们喜欢意大利菜吗? You guys like Italian?
——没有。——是的。 - No. - Yes.
是的，我喜欢意大利菜。 Yes, I love Italian.
在电影的结尾， At the end of the movie,
我们收集鲸鱼的歌声，用一些电子材料进行处理。 we took whale song and processed it with some electronic stuff.
没有对话。 There's no dialog.
你必须告诉观众这是一种交流 You have to tell the audience that this is a communication
鲸鱼在这个奇怪的科幻小说中， between whale in this weird sci fi object,
探测器有两种不同的声音。 there are sort of two distinct sounds of the probe.
这就是危险模式。 There's the danger mode.
我带着最好的设计进去了。 I went in with my best designs.
莱纳德，他说，“它们不管用。 Leonard, he said, "They don't work.
“听起来应该是这样的。”他说"哇，哇，哇，哇" "It should sound like this." And he went, "Whab, whab, whab, whab"
他的声音又大又低沉。 in this deep-- He's got this big, deep voice.
我说:“太好了。 And I said, "Great.
“我们在给莱纳德录音。” "We're recording Leonard."
他说我在虚张声势。 And he called my bluff.
莱纳德就这样对着麦克风说， And Leonard bellied up to the microphone just like this and he went,
“哇，哇，哇，哇。” "Whab, whab, whab, whab."
就像这样。 Just like that.
这就是电影里的内容。 And that's what's in the movie.
但终极反派， But the ultimate villain,
也就是《星际迷航4》里的人 which is in Star Trek IV, is man.
自开天辟地以来，人们为了各种目的而捕鲸 Since the dawn of time, men have harvested whales for a variety
的目的。在这一点上，大多数都可以综合实现。 of purposes. Most of which can be achieved synthetically at this point.
电影公司想知道答案 The studio wanted to know
探员问了什么，说了什么。 what the probe was asking or saying.
我说:“那太蠢了，永远不可能达到神秘的程度。” And I said "That's dumb, could never live up to the mystery."
我说:“我们不会那么做的。” I said, "We're not doing that."
我记得道恩·斯蒂尔说"你错了，尼基·迈耶" And I remember Dawn Steele saying, "You're wrong, Nicky Meyer."
我说，“好吧，饼干就是这样碎的。” And I said, "Well, that's just how the cookie is going to crumble."
《星际迷航2》，《星际迷航3》和《星际迷航4》 Star Trek II, III and IV
是我最喜欢的星际迷航三部曲。 is my absolute favorite Star Trek trilogy.
它讲述了一个非常精彩的故事。 It tells a really wonderful story.
当时没有人做那样的事。 No one was doing anything like that at that time.
所以要把这三部电影真正做成一个完整的三部曲 So to take these three movies and really make them a cohesive trilogy
真的非常漂亮。 is really super beautiful.
你好,电脑。 Hello computer.
用键盘就行了。 Just use the keyboard.
音乐能触动我们内心深处的情感。 Music hits us on a very visceral level.
这些优美的交响乐， These beautiful, symphonic,
华丽的分数，正在把你的旅程和前进的行动。 gorgeous scores that are bringing you on a journey and advancing action.
一个好的作曲家会为角色挑选一个范围。当他们难过的时候， A good composer picks a range for a character. When they're sad,
当他们高兴的时候，当他们行动的时候 and when they're happy and when they're in action
当他们休息的时候。 and when they're resting.
今天有人愿意为我们回顾一下吗? Would anyone like to review that for us today?
我认为所有优秀的电影作曲家都是变色龙， I think all good film composers are chameleons,
如果他们在各方面都有才华 if they're talented in a wide ranging way
要从事这一职业，你必须有开阔的音乐思维。 for that career, you have to have a wide open musical mind.
70年代真正改变的是史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格， What really changed in the '70s was really Steven Spielberg,
因为他把这个想法带回来了 because he brought back the idea
那个大乐团很棒。 that big orchestras are great.
所有人都效仿，因为那些电影都在赚钱。 And everybody followed suit because those movies were making money.
这很简单 It's very easy
通过听配乐来唤起电影的情感。 to evoke the emotions of the film by listening to the score.
电影已经在你脑子里了，所以当你把针掉在唱片上的时候 The movie's already in your head, so when you drop that needle on that vinyl
闭上眼睛，听着开场乐谱 and close your eyes and you listen to that opening score
对于《超人》或《星球大战》，你是对的， for Superman or Star Wars, you're right there,
你又回到电影里了。 you're back in the movie.
那音乐太棒了。 That music is huge.
它提醒你这是一个关于整个星系的故事。 It reminds you that this is a story about an entire galaxy.
当你听到……"嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒" When you heard... "Dum dum dum da da dum"
你知道接下来会发生什么。 You know what's coming.
约翰·威廉姆斯，他的作品， John Williams, certainly what he produced,
或者说创造了不朽的东西。 or created was monumental.
它产生了难以置信的影响。 It made an unbelievable impact.
在《最后的星际战斗机》中， With The Last Starfighter,
问题是你在追随《星球大战》的脚步 the problem was you were in the footsteps of Star Wars,
如果你走过去说:“嘿，尼克，让我们用电子方式来做这件事吧， and if you go off and say, "Hey, Nick, let's do this electronically,
“你是命中注定的。” "you're doomed."
所以你必须尊重 So you had to respect
你的味觉会成为一个大交响乐团。 that your palate was going to be a big symphony orchestra.
当我向导演解释我想做什么时，这是很正常的 It's pretty normal when I'm explaining what I want to do to a director
只是唱一段旋律或试着模仿声音。 to just sing a melody or try to imitate the sound.
当我播放《最后的星际战斗机》的主题曲时， When I played the theme to The Last Starfighter,
我坐在钢琴上，说 I was sitting on a piano, going
“现在奏六支小号……” "And now six trumpets play..."
他们不得不从一个弹钢琴的人身上想象这一切。 They had to imagine it all from a guy playing a piano.
那可不容易。 That ain't easy.
《回到未来》竟然是 Back to the Future turns out to be
Alan Sylvestri的第一个管弦乐配乐。 Alan Sylvestri's very first orchestral score.
鲍勃·泽米基斯说他们需要你的分数 Bob Zemeckis said they need your score to make
感觉这是一部比实际规模大得多的电影。 it feel like it's a much bigger movie than it really is.
所以艾尔把它整理起来，我被告知， So Al put together what turned out to be, I'm told,
当时好莱坞最大的管弦乐队 the biggest orchestra ever assembled in Hollywood at that time.
艾尔做到了。 Al nailed it.
美国电影有点像巴兹尔·波利多里斯 American movies are partially Basil Poledouris
还有一部分是杰瑞·戈德史密斯的。巴兹尔则更具史诗色彩。 and partially Jerry Goldsmith's. Basil is much more epic.
你通过滤镜观看场景。 You see the scenes through a filter.
音乐是过滤器。 The filter is the music.
埃尔默·伯恩斯坦在某种程度上打动了你的心 Elmer Bernstein got to your heart in a way
很少有作曲家能做到。 that very few composers managed to do.
我相信他的笑和他的不笑， I trusted his laugh and his lack of laugh,
它给了我做事情的信心。 when it happened, and it gave me confidence in what I was doing.
我爱他，我真的很想他。 I love him and I really miss him.
当你拍电影的时候你必须做的一件事就是你必须展示 One of the things that you have to do when you make a movie and you have to show
对任何人来说，粗略的切割就是你必须在上面放一个临时轨道。 the rough cut to anybody is you have to put a temp track on it.
作曲家一般 Composers generally
我不喜欢看放着别人音乐的电影。 don't like to have to watch the movie with somebody else's music on it.
编辑和导演经常 The editor and the director are often
我们称之为与他们的临时轨道结婚。 what we call married to their temp track.
所以现在你发现自己无意中打开了电影 And so now you find yourself unwittingly turning your movie
剪成你不打算用的音乐节奏。 into something that is cut to the rhythm of the music that you're not going to use.
最著名的例子是一个临时轨道 The most famous example of a temp track
就是《2001太空漫游》 would be 2001: A Space Odyssey,
斯坦利·库布里克在整部电影中加入了理查德·施特劳斯， in which Stanley Kubrick temped the entire movie with Richard Strauss,
约翰·施特劳斯，然后有一个作曲家，他马上说，你知道吗? Johann Strauss and then had a composer and immediately went, "you know?
"我觉得临时曲目比你的好多了"然后他就把乐谱扔了 "I think the temp track's way better than what you did", and he threw out the score
然后回到临时工那里。 and went back to the temp.
首先，让我在音乐静默中看你的电影， First, let me see your film in musical silence,
因为这就是我在那个空白的地方想象的方式。 because that's how my imagination works in that blank slate place.
卡梅伦先生和盖尔·安妮·赫德来到我的工作室，给我看了粗糙的作品 Mr Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd came to my studio and showed me the rough
终结者的剪辑，没有临时轨道。我有点被震撼了。 cut of the Terminator, without a temp track. I was kind of blown away.
有一个非常原始的早期采样设备叫做模拟器。 There was a very primitive early sampling device called an Emulator one.
你可以在键盘上插个麦克风 You could plug a microphone into this keyboard
发出一些奇怪的声音，然后用键盘重现。 and make some weird sound and then reproduce it with the keyboard.
这就是我在《终结者》中叮当作响的方法。 And that's how I did the clank on Terminator.
我拿着一个便宜的小麦克风，然后敲了一个平底锅 I had this cheap little mic and I hit a frying pan
因为我想要这个大铁砧的声音，我得到了一个铁砧样本。 because I wanted this big anvil sound and I got an anvil sample.
听起来就像……“丁克”。 It just sounded like... "Dink."
这个小科技 That little piece of technology
是创造最初终结者声音的关键。 was the key to establishing the sound for the original Terminator.
《银翼杀手》里的Vangelis。 Vangelis from Blade Runner.
这是如此的奇怪，不同和新鲜，他创造了这些环境 That was so strange and different and new, he created these ambient
pad，这在当时是一个非常前卫的想法， pads, which was a very progressive idea in that day,
就像现在的音效设计师所做的那样，他创造了这些情感 in a way that sound designers now very commonly do, he'd create these emotive
那种不是音乐的氛围，但他用了合成器和编钟 kind of atmospheres that weren't music, but he used synthesizers and chimes
并将它们嵌入场景中，以创造一种氛围感。 and embedded them in scenes to create an ambiance feel.
《回购人》的原声带更符合我的口味 The soundtrack to Repo Man is a little more my speed
比《银翼杀手》的原声音乐还要多 than the soundtrack to Blade Runner.
他们开始稍微改变剧本，引入了现代 They started flipping the script a little bit by introducing modern
把摇滚乐变成科幻电影。 rock music into what should be a science fiction film.
原谅我。 Excuse me.
柯克·撒切尔为《我恨你》献声，他还写了歌词， Kirk Thatcher did the vocals for I Hate You and he wrote the lyrics,
我真的是在午餐时间写了一首歌，一次就现场录了下来。 I literally wrote a song in a lunchtime, recorded it live in one take.
他是公车上的小混混。 And he's the punk on the bus.
我们做这件事很开心。 We just had a ton of fun doing it.
今天，很少有主题音乐。 Today, there's very little thematic music.
音乐更像是一种声音效果。 Music is more almost like a sound effect.
但在80年代，有很多旋律和主题的使用。 But in the '80s, there was a lot of use of melody and themes.
那个时代有很多伟大的作曲家都写过主题 There are so many great composers of that era who wrote themes
还写了旋律，让你离开剧院时可以哼唱。 and wrote melodies that you could hum when you left the theater.
我喜欢这个。 I love that.
这是看电影的乐趣之一。 That's one of the joys of cinema.
你可以把乐谱上的那一刻和电影中的画面联系起来 You can associate the moment in the score with the images in the film
在你的头脑里。 inside your head.
顺便说一下，这样你才知道这是一个好分数。 By the way, that's how you know it's a good score.
这一刻和那一刻将永远在一起。 This moment with that moment will go together forever.
这是一件美好的事情。 It's just a beautiful thing.
阿诺德·施瓦辛格。 Arnold Schwarzenegger.
捕食者。 Predator.
那是在《兰博》和《异形》最火的时候， It was at the height of the Rambo craze and the height of the craze over Aliens,
突然有个神童说， and all of a sudden some whiz kid just said,
“把它们放在一起”。 "Put them together".
我认为在80年代你看到了这类电影的转变 I think in the '80s you saw a transition in these kinds of movies
更像是超级英雄而非英雄 to something that was more superhero in a way than hero
在某种程度上。有品牌的体格。 in a way. A branded physique.
英雄们都加强了体力。 The heroes were all buffed up.
在那个时代，你的外表 It was a time where your physical appearance
从绅士的角度决定了你的男子气概。 determined your masculinity in terms of buffness.
我喜欢《铁血战士》，因为它给人的感觉是最独特的 I was fond of Predator because it felt like the most uniquely
在这部精心制作的施瓦辛格电影中，他被允许更多地扮演演员的角色， crafted Schwarzenegger film in which he was allowed to be more of an actor,
他被允许害怕和绝望。 he was allowed to be afraid and desperate.
还债的时候了。 Payback time.
我们下去是为了做好本职工作 We go down there expecting to do our jobs
作为救援队。 as a rescue team.
留下来。 Stick around.
但我们最终成为了猎物。 But we end up becoming the hunted.
那些树里有东西。 There's something in those trees.
我觉得《铁血战士》最棒的地方在于它的故事情节 I think what's great about Predator in the storytelling
就是让观众了解阿诺之外的角色。 is allowing the audience to understand who the characters were beyond Arnold.
我认为他们做得很出色 I think they did an outstanding job
给全排的人 of giving everyone in the platoon
他们在屏幕上的一小段时间。 their bit of time on screen.
问题是，你在乎谁吗 The question is, do you care about anybody
中枪的那个? that got shot?
我只是喜欢伟大的作品。 I just like great writing.
我是终极硬汉。 I was the ultimate tough guy.
当然，对我来说最特别的场景 Of course, the most special scene for me
另一种是我会吹牛说我偷了这部电影 and the one where I'll brag and say, I stole the film
阿诺德。 from Arnold.
你中枪了，你流血了，伙计。 You're hit, you're bleeding man.
我可没时间流血。 I ain't got time to bleed.
它几乎没有实现。那场戏被剪掉了。 And it almost didn't come about. That scene got cut.
你有时间闪躲吗? You've got time to duck?
我永远不会忘记， And I'll never forget,
我要感谢蒙特祖玛的复仇，因为阿诺德病了 I can thank Montezuma's Revenge, because Arnold got sick
那天阿诺德没能开枪 and Arnold couldn't shoot that day.
铁血战士是每个人都和我谈论的。 Predator is the one that everybody really talks to me about.
剃刀。 The razor.
今晚上山的时候我要找点乐子。 I’m gonna have me some fun tonight when I’m going up the hill.
“我要找点乐子。 “I’m gonna have me some fun.
我要找点乐子了。” I’m gonna have me some fun.”
它还在播放。 It still plays.
我死后，整个排就会瓦解。 When I die, that's when the platoon falls apart.
这时恐慌开始了。 That's when panic set in.
这些人真的很害怕。 These guys are really scared.
它们体型庞大，肌肉发达，它们正在死去，它们真的在死去。 They're really big and muscular, and they're dying and they're really dying.
世界上最坚强的人已经知道了 The toughest guys in the world who already know
他们注定要灭亡，这成了一部存在主义电影。 that they're doomed, this now becomes an existential movie.
外面有东西在等着我们。 There's something out there waiting for us.
那不是男人。 And it ain't no man.
凯文·彼得·霍尔扮演捕食者。 Kevin Peter Hall played the predator.
凯文可能是唯一一个真正能演好这个角色的人， Kevin was the only one who probably truly could have did the part,
因为他必须能把阿诺德抱起来，让阿诺德看起来很小， because he had to be able to pick Arnold up and make Arnold look small,
他确实做到了。 and he certainly did that.
约翰·麦克蒂尔南知道自己在做什么，慢慢地展现这个角色。 John McTiernan knew what he was doing in slowly revealing that character.
它最终以一个伟大的揭秘而达到高潮 And it finally culminates in one of the great reveals
这是科幻史上的第一次，也就是捕食者起飞的时候 in the history of sci fi, and that's when the Predator takes off
他的生物头盔露出了那张下颌骨的脸。 his bio helmet and reveals that face with those mandibles.
阿诺德说"你这个丑王八蛋" And Arnold says, "You one ugly motherfucker."
那是那部电影里我最喜欢的一幕 That is my favorite moment in that movie
当他们进行最后的一对一战斗时。 when they have their final mano a mano battle.
捕食者露出了他的脸 Predator reveals his face
扔下他的肩炮，他说"走吧" drops his shoulder cannon, he's like, "Let's go."
这是坏蛋。 That's badass.
这就像一场惊险刺激的旅程。 It just comes together as a thrill ride.
这是果肉最好吃的东西的完美切片。 It's a perfect slice of what pulp does best.
睾丸激素驱动的主要例子之一 one of the prime examples of testosterone driven
厉害的科幻小说。 badass sci fi.
是的。 Yeah.
你个混蛋。 You son of a bitch.
太空炮弹》里。这部电影。 Spaceballs. The movie.
第一个笑话 The very first joke
《太空球》是它的标题，之后的所有内容都只是其中之一 of Spaceballs is its title, and everything after that is just one
一个接一个的笑话。 joke after another.
愿施瓦兹与你同在。 May the Schwartz be with you.
可爱。 Adorable.
所有这些都开始了 All of this stuff kicked off
当然，是《星球大战》的第一个镜头。 with Star Wars, obviously, the very first shot of Star Wars.
你看到宇宙飞船，它就不停地飞啊飞啊飞。很多电影就像 You see the spaceship and it just goes on and on and on. So many movies like just
完全照搬了《星球大战》说，我们需要巨人 absolutely copied Star Wars and said, we need the giant
有史以来最大的飞船。 biggest spaceship ever.
当你以为一切都结束了 When you think it's over,
事情还没有结束。 it's not over.
当你以为一切都结束了， And then when you think it's over,
事情还没有结束。 it's still not over.
梅尔·布鲁克斯能够把讽刺作品拍成大片。 Mel Brooks was able to take satire and make it into a blockbuster.
哦,不。又不是! Oh, no. Not again!
他尊重这一体裁， He honored the genre,
无论是《世界史》第一集《灼热的马鞍》 whether with History of the World, Part 1, Blazing Saddles.
他能够真正理解这个流派 He was able to truly understand the genre
他想要取笑。 he was trying to make fun of.
天哪，从她鼻子里出来的是什么东西? Dear me, what are those things coming out of her nose?
知识分子的笑话 Highbrow jokes
这真的让你进入了思维 that really invited you in to intellectually
拿我们现在生活的世界开玩笑。 make fun of the world we were currently living in.
太空炮弹》里! Spaceballs!
打破第四个， Breaking that fourth,
第五，第六，第七堵墙。 fifth, sixth, seventh wall.
嗯，他做到了。 Uhm, he did it.
他在取笑我们在电视上看的广告。 He's making fun of the commercials that we're watching on TV.
他在取笑我们吃那么多快餐会发生什么 He's making fun of what happens when we eat that much fast food
我们吃什么就变成什么样子。 and we become what we eat.
那个臭名昭著的歹徒被锁在车里 the notorious gangster became locked in his car
然后把自己吃死了 and ate himself to death.
你讽刺 You satirize
成为一个完全虚荣的社会意味着什么 what it means to be a completely vain society
它浪费了所有的自然资源，然后去尝试 that wastes all of its natural resources and then goes and tries
从另一个星球获取资源。 to take those resources from another planet.
吸!吸! Suck! Suck!
在太空炮弹》里, In Spaceballs,
他们谈论着商业经营的乐趣。 they talked about the hilariousness of merchandizing.
乔治·卢卡斯就是这么赚到钱的。 I mean, that was how George Lucas made all his money.
他是怎么知道的? How did he know?
你在这里做什么? What is it that you do here?
销售。 Merchandising.
真正的钱从哪里来 Where the real money from the -
电影拍了。 - movie is made.
午餐盒里的太空球! Spaceballs the lunchbox!
太空球早餐麦片! Spaceballs the breakfast cereal!
太空球，火焰喷射器。 Spaceballs the flame thrower.
火焰喷射器!孩子们喜欢这个。 Flame thrower! The kids love this one.
梅尔是个疯子。 Mel was just nuts.
顺便说一下，丁克斯是第一个说话的角色。 Dinks, first speaking role, by the way.
丁克丁克。 Dink Dink.
丁克，丁克，丁克，丁克。 Dink Dink, Dink Dink Dink Dink Dink Dink.
直到今天，我都不知道丁克人到底做了什么。 To this day, I don't know what the Dinks really did.
我也不在乎 I don't care.
我和约翰·坎迪一起工作。 I was working with John Candy.
我是我自己最好的朋友。 I'm my own best friend.
把爪子给我! Give me paw!
比尔·普尔曼，达芙妮·祖尼加。 Bill Pullman, Daphne Zuniga.
他射中了我的头发! He shot my hair!
王八蛋! Son of a bitch!
希尔兹和亚内尔。 Shields and Yarnell.
洛琳·亚内尔是琼·里弗斯配音的黄金机器人。 Lorene Yarnell was the gold robot that Joan Rivers voiced.
你能把那东西关掉吗?! Will you turn that thing off?!
什么? What?
是什么? What is it?
我们也在开玩笑 We were in on the joke
里克·莫拉尼斯的巅峰之作 and it was peak Rick Moranis.
哦，你的头盔好大! Oh, your helmet is so big!
黑头盔! Dark Helmet!
迈克尔·温斯洛有这种独特的天赋。 Michael Winslow has this unique talent.
还有毛骨悚然。 And the creeps.
我肯定剪辑室的地板上还有。 I'm sure there's more on the cutting room floor.
不可能没有。 There's no way there's not.
它显示了多样性 It shows how diverse
演员们都很有技巧。 the cast was in their skills.
感觉就像 It feels like all
世界只是在这个小小的喜剧宇宙中碰撞 the worlds are just colliding in this one little mini comedic universe
我们都在等待《太空球2》的问世。 that we're all waiting for Spaceballs II to come out for.
但愿我们能在《太空球2》中再次相遇: God willing we'll all meet again in Spaceballs II:
寻找更多的钱。 The Search for More Money.
仍然等待。 Still waiting.
你好，我的宝贝。你好，亲爱的。 Hello, my baby. Hello, my honey.
你好，我的拉格泰姆女孩。 Hello, my ragtime gal.
丹尼斯奎德。 Dennis Quaid.
马丁短。 Martin Short.
给自己一个冒险的机会。 Give yourself a shot of adventure.
Innerspace。 Innerspace.
内在空间是关于技术的错误。 Innerspace is about technology gone awry.
第一个能把人放进别人身体里的人 The first person that can put someone inside someone's body
用它们来杀死它们就是赢家。 and use them to kill them is the winner.
当我想到“内心空间”时， When Innerspace came to me,
这是彼得·古伯和约翰·彼得斯的一幅画。 it was a picture that Peter Guber and John Peters owned.
这不是一部喜剧。 And it was not a comedy.
它是直的 It was a straight
间谍电影，情节是一个人被缩成一团塞进另一个人体内。 spy movie with the plot of a guy who gets shrunk down and put inside another guy.
我委婉地暗示人们会嘲笑我的想法， I suggested diplomatically that people would laugh at this idea,
然后他们回来了，他们开始雇人 and then they came back and they had hired
杰弗里·波安，他是一个非常优秀的作家，他来了 Jeffrey Boam, who was a very good writer, and he had come
用不同的想法去做，这就是最终的结果 to it with a different idea, which was what would happen
如果迪恩·马丁被缩小注射到杰里·刘易斯身上 if Dean Martin was shrunk down and injected into Jerry Lewis.
我年轻时是马丁和刘易斯的粉丝， And that was something that as a Martin and Lewis fan of my youth,
我肯定能感同身受，然后我说，“是的，现在可行了。 I could certainly relate to, and I said, "Yes, now this works.
“现在很有趣。” "Now it's funny."
这时史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格介入了。 That's when Steven Spielberg became involved.
当《Fantastic Voyage》制作时，它使用了最好的技术。 When Fantastic Voyage was made, it used the best technology.
里面的一切都是当时最尖端的。 Everything in it was cutting edge for the time.
当我们做Innerspace的时候， When we did Innerspace,
当然，技术已经进步了很多，我们已经走在了前面 of course, the technology has improved so much, and we've gone so far ahead
突飞猛进。 in leaps and bounds.
我喜欢所有实用的东西 I loved all the practical stuff
在那部电影里。 in that movie.
放松点，杰克。 Just relax, Jack.
让我们看看这里发生了什么。 Let's see what's going on in here.
它们看起来多么逼真 And how realistic they looked
在任何计算机出现之前 prior to the advent of any sort of computer
图形。 graphics.
进入血街。 Entering Blood Street.
你知道，像他这样的东西会在血液中流动 You know, things like him flying through the bloodstream
随着血红细胞或视出 with the red blood cells or seeing out of
马丁·肖特的眼睛。 Martin Short's eyes.
发射光学传感器。 Firing optic sensor.
然后你在车里进行战斗 And then you have the battle inside the car
这里有一个非常巧妙的强制透视法。 where there's a very clever use of forced perspective.
如果你和马丁·肖特合作 If you're working with Martin Short,
如果你拍十次，那十次就像从不同的电影中取景。 if you do ten takes, take ten is like from a different movie than take one.
他喜欢探索。他喜欢尝试新事物。 He likes to discover. He likes to try new things.
杰克，你刚刚消化了坏人。 Jack, you've just digested the bad guy.
他和丹尼斯从未一起出现在银幕上，除了最后。 He and Dennis are never on screen together, except at the very end.
但是预先录制是行不通的 But yet it wasn't going to work to pre-record
丹尼斯的对话，或者预先录下马丁的对话。 Dennis's dialog, or pre-record Martin's dialog.
所以我们的音响师肯·金想出了一个主意 So our sound guy, Ken King, came up with an idea
这让他们可以在拍摄过程中互相交谈。 that allowed them to talk to each other during takes.
所以每当我和马蒂拍戏的时候，丹尼斯都会在屏幕外 So whenever I did a scene with Marty, Dennis would still be there off screen
他们可以互相交流，可以即兴发挥。 and they could talk to each other and they could improvise.
在这里，在你的身体里。在你的身体里! In here, inside you. Inside your body!
谁来帮帮我! Somebody help me!
我拥有! ! I'm possessed!!!
他们在电影中的关系如此融洽的原因之一是 one of the reasons that their relationship in the movie works so well is
因为他们之间的关系是真实的 because it's actually a real relationship that they were having
目前是这样。 at the moment.
你见过我身体的一部分 You have seen parts of my body
我永远都看不到了 that I will never get to see.
相信我，你也没错过那么多。 Believe me, you're not missing all that much.
我喜欢我在电影中的角色，只是一个邪恶的存在。 I love my character in the film, just a malevolent presence.
他没有说话。 He didn't talk.
他就在那儿。 He was just there.
我的手, My hand,
我有很多东西，这很有趣。 I had a multitude of things, which was kind of fun.
枪，火焰喷射器，自动冲锋枪， The gun, the flame thrower, an automatic submachine gun,
我们没有看到，因为那一幕被删掉了。还有情趣用品。 which we don't see because that scene was taken out of the film. And the sex toy.
是的，情趣用品。 Yeah, the sex toy.
非常快，但是你看到了。 Very quick, but you see it.
他们给我装了个装备。 They had this rig that they put me in.
然后他们把它放到地板上，这就是我得到的 Then they lowered it down into the floor, which is where I get
缩小。 shrunk down.
我有幽闭恐惧症。 I have a fear of claustrophobia.
我汗流浃背，真的，很讨厌。 I was sweating bullets, really, hated it.
整个过程非常顺利，每个人都喜欢这部电影。 It went very smoothly, and everybody liked the movie when they saw it.
我唯一要说的是， And the only thing that I will say,
那个糟糕的广告活动，所以它没有赚到钱。 that terrible ad campaign, and so it didn't make any money.
但除此之外，这是一次很棒的经历。 But aside from that, it was a great experience.
执法的未来。 The future of law enforcement.
机器战警。 RoboCop.
机械战警拥有所有这些元素 RoboCop has all of those elements
造就了电影和故事的伟大。 that make greatness in cinema and storytelling.
为尊严而战，人类处境岌岌可危，幽默。 The fight for dignity, the human condition at stake, humor.
一美元我就买! I'd buy that for a dollar!
给社会一记耳光。 A slap in the face of society.
我打电话给我的经纪人说，“他们要改他的头衔，对吧? I called my agent and I said, "They're changing his title, right?
“它不会是一个头衔。” "It's not going to be the title."
谁会去看一部叫《机械战警》的电影? Who's going to go see a movie called RoboCop?
天啊，我错了。 Boy, was I wrong about that.
一开始，对我来说很奇怪， In the beginning, for me, was very weird,
因为彼得·威勒对我说:“你得叫我机械战警。 because Peter Weller said to me, "You have to call me RoboCop.
“你不能叫我彼得。” "You cannot call me Peter."
所以我们之间已经有些紧张了? So there was already some tension, you know?
机器人服十小时后， The robo suit ten hours later,
我们坐在那里，我的天啊。 we're sitting there going, oh my God.
他很沮丧。 He was so frustrated.
事实上，在最初的几周，出现了危机。 In fact, in the very first weeks, there was a crisis.
他们在考虑停播这部电影。 They were thinking of pulling the plug on on the film.
他们真的得把他召集起来。 They literally had to assemble him.
就像一个玩具，用螺丝刀把他组装起来。 It was like a toy, putting him together with a screwdriver.
每次我开始自怨自艾， Every time I started feeling sorry for myself,
我只是看着彼得，他在一个大塑料里。 I just looked at Peter, who was in this big plastic thing.
他们把它降到大约 And they got it down to about
三四个小时。 three or four hours.
这可不像看上去那么容易。 It's not as easy as it looks.
Rob Bottin的机械战警。 Rob Bottin's RoboCop.
这是机械战警的传说，他和保罗·范胡芬的战斗 It's RoboCop lore, the battles he had with Paul Verhoeven
在罗布的工作室里，我参加了很多这样的战斗。 and I was there for many of those battles in Rob's studio.
罗布雕刻的方式，绘画的方式， The way Rob sculpted that, the way it was painted,
那台机器的成品，简直是艺术品。 the finish on that machine, it's a piece of art.
掉它! Drop it!
拍摄的经历， The shooting experience,
它就像一列快速行驶的火车，这部电影给它带来了能量。 it was like this fast moving train, and the film had that energy to it.
我们觉得自己很有创意，对剧本里的一切都很随意。 We felt so creative and we were so loose with everything that was in the script.
我认为它应该有不同于美国动作片的风格， I thought that it should have a different style than American action movie,
它应该是部分轻松的，它应该是有点有趣的， that it should be partially light hearted, that it should be a bit funny,
你会有点惊讶的。 that you would be a bit amazed.
你会飞吗，鲍比? Can you fly, Bobby?
克拉伦斯·博迪克，他玩得很开心。 Clarence Boddicker, he's having a great time.
bitch(婊子)离开。 Bitches leave.
他是个反社会的人。 He's this sociopath.
你可能觉得我不是个好人。 You probably don't think I'm a very nice guy.
你不能太疯狂 You can't get crazy with it
因为我们还得认真对待他。 because he still has to be taken seriously.
警察不喜欢我。 Cops don't like me.
就语言而言， With the language,
我一直在增加东西，尤其是f -bomb，我很喜欢 I kept adding things, especially F-bombs, I was big on
总是把这些扔进去。 throwing those in all the time.
我不想惹你，萨尔。 I don't want to fuck with you, Sal.
坏人, Bad guys,
他们从不认为自己是坏的。 they never think they're bad.
这家公司将遵守指导原则 This corporation will live up to the guiding principles
它的创始人:勇气，力量，信念。 of its founder: courage, strength, conviction.
有一个模糊的 There is a vague
机械战警的宗教成分， religious component to RoboCop,
当然，因为我觉得墨菲的死 of course, because I felt that the death of Murphy
应该被钉在十字架上，因为复活了。 should be a crucifixion because there was a resurrection.
这就是为什么那个场景非常暴力， That's why that scene is extremely violent,
因为钉在十字架上是你能想象到的最糟糕的惩罚之一。 because crucifixion is one of the worst punishments that you can imagine.
保罗在第二次世界大战中长大。 Paul grew up in World War II.
他看到了真正的暴力。 He saw real violence.
他对《机械战警》的暴力概念 His whole concept of the violence in RoboCop
他是想把事情搞得太夸张，让你明白他的笑话吗 is he wanted it to be so over the top that you got the joke
立即。 immediately.
你有20秒的时间。 You have 20 seconds to comply.
我想你最好照他说的做，金尼先生。 I think you'd better do what he says, Mr. Kinney.
奇怪的是，他们削减了这么多 Oddly enough, they cut it back so much so
它终于到了你能忍受的极限。 that it finally got to where it was right on the edge of what you could stand.
他们制造了暴力 They made the violence
这样做更过分。 more egregious by doing it that way.
这是不懂艺术的人在做决定 That's non-artistic people trying to make decisions
他们没必要做这些事。 that they have no business making.
ED-209非常想强调 ED-209 really wanted to emphasize
美国汽车设计的愚蠢 the stupidity of American automobile design.
所以我向保罗建议我们造一个全尺寸的ED-209。 And so I proposed to Paul that we build a full scale ED-209.
艾德从楼梯上摔下来的时候 When ED falls down the stairs,
音效是一头小猪被割喉。 the sound effects was a baby pig's getting their throat slit.
枪战，爆炸。 Shootouts, things blowing up.
这是一个相当活跃的节目。 It was a pretty active show.
枪声和车祸， Guns going off and car crashes,
非常令人兴奋。 it was pretty exciting.
其中一件事南希 one of the things that Nancy
和她的性格，路易斯都要为此负责 and her character, Louis were really responsible for,
就是让机械战警回归人性。 within the movie, was bringing RoboCop back to his humanity.
墨菲，是你。 Murphy, it's you.
这真的是关于 It really was about
我与这部分人类性格的联系。 the human connection that I had with this part human character.
灵魂真的还在那里。 The soul was really still there.
关于你是谁的寓言 Parable of loss of who are you
当它消失的时候。 when that's gone.
墨菲有妻子和儿子。他们怎么了? Murphy had a wife and son. What happened to them?
他回家的那一幕 The scene when he goes to his house
它是空的，这让我差点哭了， and it's empty, it just made me almost cry,
那时候我说，这真是部好电影。 and that's when I said, this is a really good movie.
你能做到吗，爸爸? Can you do that, dad?
这是部悲伤的电影，伙计， It's a sad frigging movie, man,
这是一种非常悲伤，悲伤，尽管， it is a poignantly sad, sad, though,
甚至到了最后，丹·奥赫利希也会问:“孩子，你叫什么名字?” even at the end, "What's your name, kid?" says Dan O'Herlihy.
“墨菲”。 "Murphy."
好吧，他有东西回来了，对吧? Okay, he's got something back, right?
但他没拿回来，伙计。这是一去不复返了。 But he doesn't have it back, man. That's gone.
他不是人，他是机器。 He's not a guy, he's a machine.
他们要怎么做，取代我们吗? What are they gonna do, replace us?
我喜欢看一部好电影 I like when a good film
会以一种幽默的方式来表达这些想法， will present those ideas and do it in a humorous way,
但足够引起你的注意，让你去思考。 but enough that it gets your attention and gets you to think about it.
机械战警是城市的反乌托邦。 RoboCop was urban dystopia.
我是根据我看到的元素做的。 I based it on elements that I saw.
当然，这在社会上已经发生了，只是还不可见。 Of course, it was happening in society already, but were not visible yet.
但现在我们到了这里。 But now we are here.
它传递的信息的力量是涓涓细流的 The power of its messages trickle down
世界私有化的经济学和资本主义横行。 economics of the privatization of the world and capitalism run amok.
是的。 Yes.
我不知道能持续多久 I was not aware of how long lasting
《机械战警》的社会阶层会持续下去。 the social strata of RoboCop would last.
我不知道。这是唯一的男人。 I don't know. It's a one off man.
那部电影太棒了。 That movie is extraordinary.
打扰一下，机器人，有什么特别的话要对在家看电视的孩子们说吗? Excuse me, Robo, any special message for all the kids watching at home?
远离麻烦。 Stay out of trouble.
奔跑的人。 The Running Man.
跑男做了什么。它比真人秀节目还要早。 What Running Man did. It predated reality TV.
奔跑男:美国最受欢迎的游戏节目。 The Running Man: America's favorite game show.
《跑男》好像已经明白了 Running Man is kind of dead on to
真人秀节目发生了什么，只有跑男这个例子， what happened with reality TV, only in the case of the Running Man,
现实是终止，不幸的是我们没有做到， the reality was termination, which we have unfortunately not got to,
但我要说还没有。 but I'll say yet.
是时候开始跑步了! It's time to start running!
理查德·道森是个完美的喜剧反派。 Richard Dawson was your perfect comedic bad guy.
他只是在扮演《家庭不和》里的角色。 He was just playing the role he did on Family Feud.
来吧，我们玩世仇，走吧。 Come on, let's play the Feud, let's go.
这对我来说非常有意义。 It made perfect sense to me.
我想让你自愿参加明天的广播。 I'd like you to volunteer to appear on tomorrow's broadcast.
《铁血战士》拍摄到一半， Halfway through filming Predator,
阿诺德在片场走过来对我说:“我的下一部电影是今年秋天 Arnold came up to me on the set and he said, "My next film this fall
叫做《奔跑的人》，里面有一个角色非常适合你。” is called The Running Man, there's a part in there you're perfect for."
这是一项关乎死亡和荣誉的运动!角斗士的法典! This is a sport of death and honor! Code of the gladiators!
当我的角色到那里的时候，他们已经有第三个导演了。 By the time my part got there, they were on their third director.
幸运的是，那个导演是 Fortunately for me, that director was
保罗·迈克尔·格拉泽。 Paul Michael Glaser.
戴夫，在更衣室里，大家都很兴奋。 Dave, here in the locker room, there's a lot of excitement here.
自由船长，我的角色 Captain Freedom, my character
在《奔跑吧兄弟》中，他是史上最伟大的跟踪狂， in Running Man, he was the greatest stalker of all time,
他老了，跟所有跟踪狂一样， and he got old and like all old stalkers,
最后他得到了一个麦克风。 he ends up with a microphone.
你准备好承受痛苦了吗? Are you ready for pain?
你准备好受苦了吗? Are you ready for suffering?
跑男走在科技的前沿 Running Man was on the edge of technology
电影中的预言如今已成为现实。 predicted in the movie that has become reality today.
玛丽亚·肯奇塔走进她的公寓，开始用语音打开电视。 Maria Conchita goes into her apartment and starts turning things on by voice.
嗯，这是现在的普遍做法。 Well, that's a common practice now.
厨房，吐司和咖啡。ICS频道1。 Kitchen, toast and coffee. ICS Channel one.
我们已经达到了“跑男”技术的阶段。 We've already reached the Running Man stage of technology.
这是一个非常粗糙的， There's a very crude,
80年代风格的数字框架让你觉得有一个人在那里 1980's style sort of digital frame to make you think that one person is there
而实际上，是别人。 when in actuality, it's someone else.
你永远不会知道其中的区别。好了，孩子们。 You'll never know the difference. All right boys.
跑男绝对预言了深度造假技术。 Running Man definitely predicted deepfake technologies.
他们制造了这场虚假的战斗。 They created this phony fight.
彼得•肯特 Peter Kent,
最后我和彼得打了一架因为阿诺德不接受一辆suplex。 I ended up fighting Peter because Arnold wouldn't take a suplex.
他让彼得代替他做那件事。 He made Peter do it instead of him.
我让一个人出去了，不是吗? Let one out there, didn't I?
我会永远珍惜这一点，我可以去死 I'll always cherish this, I get to go to my death
作为为数不多的杀人凶手之一 as being one of only a handful of people who've ever killed
银幕上的阿诺德·施瓦辛格。 Arnold Schwarzenegger on screen.
《奔跑吧兄弟》更多的是为了展示自己有多病态 Running Man was more to show how sick
我认为我们，一个社会，实际上可以堕落到。 I think we, a society, can actually stoop to.
娱乐是无国界的。 Entertainment knows no boundaries.
我们不在乎它是什么，只要我们能从中得到娱乐 We don't give a damn what it is as long as we get entertained by it
最后，在我们的身体里有一个相当病态的东西，不是吗? in the end, a pretty sick thing to have sitting in our systems, isn't it?
我会回来的。 I'll be back.
只是在重播。 Only in a rerun.
我们都知道英雄的旅程是根本的 We all know that the hero's journey is fundamentally
许多故事和科幻小说的一部分，通常是一个单一的角色 a part of many stories and science fiction, usually a single character
他发起了一场冒险，一场行动的号召， who is initiating some adventure, some call to action,
这是一个巨大的转变。 and that there is this tremendous transformation.
父亲!睡觉的人醒了! Father! The sleeper has awakened!
我从哪里来? Where do I come from?
为什么我很重要? Why do I matter?
我能为宇宙做些什么 What can I do to contribute to the universe
以一种真实而有意义的方式?当我们与英雄联系在一起时， in a real, meaningful way? When we connect to heroes,
这些都是我们理想中的自我。 Those are our ideal selves.
法什·戈登，他只是个普通人 Flash Gordon, he's just a guy
他没有任何超能力 he doesn't have any superpowers,
完全依靠他的智慧和运动能力。 relies solely on his wit and his athleticism.
它们带有属性 They carry attributes
以及我们想在自己身上看到的特征。 and features that we want to see in ourselves.
勇敢，勇敢，敢于冒险，富有同情心，脆弱， Brave, courageous, taking risks, being compassionate, being vulnerable,
聪明。当我们和这些角色在一起的时候 intelligent. When we're in these moments with these characters
感受到恐惧，恐惧，绝望， feeling the fear, the phobia, the desperation,
有时甚至是悲伤。 sometimes even grief.
为什么不给我开个价呢? Why not make me an offer?
我们都需要看到英雄 We all need to see the hero
把这些东西和他们联系起来。 have those things to relate to them.
亚历克斯本质上是一个非常不情愿的英雄。 Alex is essentially a very reluctant hero.
我会说他是个懦夫，真的。 I mean, I would say a coward, really.
这是一个很大的错误。 There's been a big mistake.
我能理解为你是在拒绝这份荣誉吗 Am I to understand you're actually declining the honor
-成为一名星际战斗机?-没问题。 - of being a Starfighter? - You got it.
-“你是胆小鬼吗?”-你是个懦夫吗? - "What are you, a coward?" - Are you a coward?
我觉得非常可信。 Which I found very believable.
我们也学会了英雄的行为 We also come to learn that heroic actions do
不必是巨大的，特别宽泛的东西， not have to be huge, extraordinary broad things,
它们可以是小而有意义的行动。 they can be small, very meaningful actions.
你进行能量包移植是不合逻辑的。男孩。 It is illogical for you to perform this energy pack transplant. Oy.
我喜欢无名英雄。 I like unsung heroes.
我喜欢没人谈论的人。 I like the people who nobody ever talks about.
把他关在安全塔里。保持安静。移动。 Hold him in the security tower. Keep it quiet. Move.
如果你把我们所熟知的经典电影浓缩成《帝国反击战》 If you boil down the classics as we know them, Empire Strikes Back,
外星人，终结者，把他们连在一起的是人性。 E.T., The Terminator, what unites them all is humanity.
也是导演和编剧塑造角色的方式 And is the way that the directors and the writers create character
这是可访问的。 that's accessible.
当你通过能量护罩后，直接前往会合点。 When you're gotten past the energy shield, proceed directly to the rendezvous point.
像莱娅公主这样的女人 Women like Princess Leia,
比如瓦斯奎兹和莎拉·康纳 like Vasquez, like Sarah Connor.
他们授权。 They're empowered.
他们会做出别人不喜欢的决定。 They make decisions that other people don't like.
他们采取主动，掌控局面。 They take initiative, they take control.
你被解雇了，混蛋。 You're terminated, fucker.
我们年轻的时候就需要这样。 We needed to have that as young women.
路易斯，我收到了很多年轻女孩的来信 Lewis, I received so much mail from young girls
就是喜欢这个角色。 that just loved this character.
我让他们感到强大。 I made them feel powerful.
离我远点，毕夏普。你明白了吗? You just stay away from me, Bishop. You got that straight?
这些都是人物 These are characters
让观众产生共鸣。 that the audience can relate to.
对于年轻女孩来说，她们能做到这一点是非常鼓舞人心的 It was very encouraging for young girls that they could accomplish
这些事情传统上可能是留给男性去做的。 these things that may traditionally have been left to the guys to do.
我们中的许多人都被反英雄的人所吸引。 Many of us are drawn to the anti-hero.
其中有一些方面可能满足我们的一些欲望。 There are aspects within them that maybe fulfill some of our desires.
打破规则和不一致的概念。 This concept of rule breaking and nonconformity.
我是来嚼泡泡糖和打人的。 I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.
纠结的东西 Something snarling
关于那些反建制的人物。 about those characters that anti-establishment.
这是不同的态度。 It's a different attitude.
是的，我想你一定见过。 Yes, I bet you have.
如果我们想想阿憨，麦克斯。 If we think about Han, Max.
我只是来加汽油的。 I'm just here for the gasoline.
蛇。 Snake.
换一个新总统。 Get a new President.
自私是存在的，那种想要做的感觉 Selfishness is there, that sense of wanting to do
对他们最好的东西就在那里。 what's best for them is there.
然而在那粗犷的个性中， And yet somewhere in that rugged individuality,
在那倔强的内心深处，隐藏着一颗心。 somewhere in that stubbornness is a heart.
我会追到尼比亚的卫星上，绕着安塔瑞斯星 I'll chase him down the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares
在我放弃他之前，将他卷入漩涡和毁灭之火。 Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's flames before I give him up.
我们和那么多坏人有联系。 We connect to so many villains.
它们很迷人，很诱人，很与众不同。 They're fascinating, they're alluring, they're different.
我应该憎恨或鄙视恶棍， I'm supposed to hate or despise the villain,
但我真的觉得和他们有联系。为什么? but I actually feel connected to them. Why?
但愿你能看到我用你的眼睛看到的东西。 If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes.
我不知道大熊星座的力量。 I had no idea of the power of Ursa.
我在这里有超能力。 I have powers beyond reason here.
有一个真正的出口 There's a real outlet
因为这些恶棍的恶劣行为。 for bad behavior in these villains.
支持反派也是一种替代的放纵。 There's a vicarious indulgence in rooting for the villain.
哦，枪，枪，枪! Ooh, guns, guns, guns!
我认为这是一种安全的方式 And I think that's a safe way
接近邪恶，毁灭，不良行为，并且知道， to be close to evil, destruction, bad behavior, and know,
这终究不是我最终的目的。 that's ultimately not what I'm about at the end of the day.
要成为一个好反派，你必须相信自己是好人。 To be a good villain you had to believe you were the good guy.
一旦你相信自己是恶棍，你就会突然变得刻板 Once you believe you're the villain, then suddenly you become stereotypical
所有人都希望恶棍是什么样的。 of everything that everybody wants a villain to be.
把那个程序拿到拘留室去! Take that program to the holding pit!
人性的一部分 Part of humanity
承认我们并非都是好人，都是完美的，我们有不同的元素 is acknowledging that we're not all good and all perfect, that we have elements
破坏，我们犯了错误，那就是 of destruction, we make mistakes, that's
人类心理学。 human psychology.
总有一天我会让你们知道的!你可别忘了! There will come a day when I'll show all of you! Don't you forget it!
看到这些角色克服了逆境 Seeing these characters overcome adversity
为我们的生活和行为提供了非常重要的建议。 gives us really important suggestions for our own lives and our own behaviors.
不,强打。 No, Biff.
你离她远点。 You leave her alone.
有什么东西吗? Is there anything
这个故事给了我灵感，也许我能做到。 from this narrative that I feel inspired by, that maybe I could do.
克服看似无法克服的事情是什么感觉? And what is it like to overcome something that seems insurmountable?
我不想让你觉得地球女孩很容易相处。 I don't want you to think Earth girls are easy.
地球女孩很容易。 Earth Girls Are Easy.
地球女孩很容易 Earth Girls Are Easy
就像一部MTV音乐剧。 was like an MTV musical.
这是一个挑衅的标题， It is a provocative title,
但这个想法是，女孩是复杂的，你必须接受改变 but the idea is that girls are complex and you have to be open to changing
你认为能让你快乐的事。 what you think is going to make you happy.
我需要惊喜。我需要浪漫。 I need surprises. I need romance.
我是说，你有多久没对我说“我爱你”了… I mean, how long has it been since you said, "I love you"...
最初的创意来自于 The original original idea came from--
你还记得《国家询问报》的那些报道吗? You remember those National Enquirer stories?
我看到一个女人说一个外星人从狗门进来了 I saw one where this woman said an alien came in through the doggy door
她和他发生了关系。 and she had sex with him.
我们觉得很搞笑。 We thought that was hilarious.
嗨，大家加油!我们正在做一次大改造。 Hey, come on everybody! We're doing a makeover.
我想整部电影应该是一部音乐歌曲。 I thought the whole thing should be a break into song musical.
查理·科菲，我和我的写作搭档，我们继续写， Charlie Coffey, my writing partner and I, we proceeded to write,
我不知道，25次草稿，现实情况大不相同 I don't know, 25 drafts, the reality of it was much different
当他们最终在朱利安坦普尔登陆时 when they finally landed on Julien Temple,
他们把他的电影《绝对初学者》寄给了我这是一部音乐歌曲。 they sent me his movie Absolute Beginners a break into song musical.
所以我想，天啊，这太完美了。 So I thought, Oh my God, this is perfect.
朱利安一上钩，他们就意识到预算会 Once Julien got attached, they realized the budget was going to be
我的名气还不够大，拿不出那么多钱。 this certain amount, and I wasn't a big enough name to warrant that amount.
所以我去找他，让我当第二主角。 So I went in and pitched me as the second lead.
他们就这么做了，但我当时很害怕 And they went for it, but I was like, so freaking
对此感到沮丧和愤怒。 depressed about it and angry.
我不得不和地球女孩达成协议。 I've had to come to terms with Earth Girls.
吉娜·戴维斯和杰夫·高布伦，他们都很好。 Geena Davis and Jeff Goldblum, they're both really nice.
这是一揽子交易。 It came as a package deal.
他们深爱对方，还在片场亲热 They were so in love and they were making out on the set
一直这样，我觉得很烦 all the time, and I found it irritating
因为我觉得，“这是我的电影。 because I was like, "This is my movie.
“我们必须认真对待这件事。” "We must take this seriously."
外星人，我们觉得会很有趣 The aliens, we thought it would be really funny
如果他们刚来的时候浑身是毛。 if they were hairy when they first showed up.
不能认出是可爱的男孩。 Not recognizable as cute boys.
狗屎,瓦莱丽!那些是外星人! Shit, Valerie! Those are aliens!
就会有这样的转变。 And that there'd be this transformation.
当他们推荐金·凯瑞时 When they suggested Jim Carrey
对我来说，对Whiplock来说，这是最疯狂的外星人。 to me, for Whiplock, it was the craziest of the aliens.
他有种不太像人类的特质 He has this like not quite human quality
他在舞台上做的。 that he does on stage.
你不会在我的节目中看到更多的身体幽默。 You won't be seeing much more physical humor on my show.
为了那个角色花了大价钱。 There was a big search for that part.
我是说，我觉得我们很幸运他做到了。 I mean, I feel like we're very lucky that he did it.
我要和他一起回家。 I'm going home with him.
婊子。 Bitch.
达蒙·韦恩斯愿意 Damon Wayans is willing
做任何事情。 to sort of do anything.
外星人本身 The aliens themselves
没有任何种族歧视 didn't have any kind of racism,
我们认为这很酷。 we thought that was very cool.
它非常符合80年代的风格 It very much captures '80s
还有，你知道，他们把天文台当成迪斯科舞厅。 valley specifically, and, you know, they use the observatory as the Disco.
如果有更多的山谷地标我会很高兴的 I would have loved if there was more Valley landmarks
里面的东西现在都不见了。 that were in there that are gone now.
它真的有80年代时光胶囊的感觉。 It really has this time capsule quality of the '80s.
爱进来了 Love comes in
有很多种形式，很多种形状，对吧，它可能是来自太空的外星人， many forms and many shapes, right, and it could be an alien from space,
对我来说很重要很重要的事， something that is very relevant and means something to me,
尤其是和我的同志朋友们在一起。 especially with, you know, all my gay friends.
问题是，地球女孩真的不容易， The thing is, Earth girls really are not easy,
但如果她把自己的视野稍微改变一下， but if she just took her vision and changed it a little,
完美的男人出现了。 the perfect man did show up.
听起来你有两颗心。 Sounds like you have two hearts.
——是的。你不?——没有。 - Yes. Don't you? - No.
彰。 Akira.
政府的实验创造了 A government experiment that creates
超级人类非常强大他们的思想可以摧毁一切。 super humans who are so powerful their thoughts can destroy everything.
80年代末的Akira是最早的日本人之一 Akira in the late '80s was one of the first Japanese
来到美国，人们开始欣赏这些动漫 anime things that came to the States that people started to appreciate
意识到这东西在日本有多大。 and realize how big this stuff is in Japan.
这不仅仅是周六早上的卡通片。 Like, it's not just Saturday morning cartoons.
这是一部非常非常大的电影。 It was a big, big movie.
我觉得阿基拉打开了美国的大门。 I think Akira kind of opened that door in America.
在我意识到之前 Before I was aware
我很喜欢日本动画， of Akira, I was a fan of Japanese animation,
我非常喜欢《星球大战》、《星际穿越》和《机器人科技》。 I really loved Battle of the Planets and Macross and Robotech.
这些都是我放学后看的动画片。 These are all cartoons I watched after school.
有一次我在一个大会上看到了为阿基拉录制的录像带， When I was at a convention and I saw the artwork for Akira on a VHS,
我想，哇，酷，一部电影。 I thought, wow, cool, a movie.
我们把它放进去 And we put it in and what we had
是第三代或第四代的盗版。 was a third or fourth generation bootleg.
而且都是日语。 And it was all in Japanese.
它没有字幕或配音。 It was not subtitled or dubbed.
我们不知道这是什么故事。 We had no idea what the story was.
这部动画太吸引人了。 The animation was so compelling.
我们只知道这是惊人的和震撼地球 We just knew that this was amazing and Earth shaking
和我们见过的任何东西都不一样。 and was unlike anything we had ever seen.
讲的是铁雄的朋友们想要救他， It's about Tetsuo's friends trying to save him,
即使他们意识到拯救他的方法就是毁灭他。 even when they realize that the way to save him is to destroy him.
我只去过一次东京， I've only been to Tokyo once,
我的印象是东京就在你的头顶上。 and my overwhelming impression of it was that Tokyo is just on top of you.
你动不了。在新东京， You can't move. In Neo Tokyo,
他们重建了东京 they've rebuilt Tokyo
实际上扩建了一些高速公路，给了它更多的空间。 and actually expanded some of the highways and giving it more space.
阿基拉是我第一次看到这样的镜头， Akira is the very first time I ever saw one of those shots,
一辆不可思议的摩托车向你冲过来，开始了动力滑梯 incredible motorbike coming at you and starting that power slide
就像几百英尺远的地方。 like what seems like hundreds of feet away.
这是视觉上的威廉尖叫 It's the visual Wilhelm Scream
每一部动画里都要有， of anime, it has to be in every anime,
所有这些都是手工动画和手绘的。 and all of that was hand animated and hand painted.
这让我目瞪口呆。 That was just jaw dropping to me.
我终于看到了英文版的阿基拉， I finally did see Akira in English,
甚至比我小时候想象的还要好。 and it's even better than what I thought it was as a kid.
嗨,孩子们!是我，麦当劳先生。 Hi, kids! It's me, Ronald McDonald.
我正在拍摄我的第一部电影。 And I'm on the set of my very first motion picture ever.
这部电影叫《麦克和我》 It's a movie called Mac and Me.
麦克和我是柯克兰的外星人 Mac and Me is the Kirkland E.T.
有整整一代的人只知道麦克和我 There is an entire generation of people who only know Mac and Me
因为保罗·路德展示了《麦克和我》中的一幕 because Paul Rudd shows a scene from Mac and Me
每次柯南·奥布莱恩去那里宣传电影的时候 on Conan O'Brien every time he goes there to promote a movie.
我接到一个电话，是一个我从未见过的人打来的。 I get a phone call and it's this guy that I've never met.
他说:“我有一部电影，我想让你导演和编剧。 And he said, "I have a film that I want you to direct and write.
“这很像《e.t.外星人》，但我想和一个家庭、一个真人一起拍， "It's a lot like E.T., but I want to do it with a family, with an actual person,
"患有脊柱裂。" "with a spina bifida condition."
我们没偷他的东西 We didn't steal anything from him,
有一个外星生物只是个概念， it was just a concept to have an alien creature,
所以我需要外星人的原型，大眼睛，不像外星人 so I need the prototype aliens, big big eyes, nothing like E.T.
而且活泼可爱。 and animated and cute.
这是给孩子们看的。 It's for kids.
-我们能去那里看吗?-不可能! - Can we go there and watch? - No way!
领头的男孩杰德·卡勒戈里 The lead boy, Jade Calegory,
他就是我们想要的那种人，他会演戏，在电影里表现得很好。 he was exactly what we want, and he could act and he was wonderful in the movie.
好吗?我不会让任何人伤害你。 Please? I won't anybody hurt you.
制作过程很有趣 It was fun to make
这部电影，但它非常局限，因为那个生物 the film, but it was extremely limiting because the creature
其实是缆绳上的木偶。 is really a puppet on cables.
一切都很耗时， Everything was time consuming,
但它奏效了。 but it worked.
他很健康。 He's so wholesome in his element.
他们在一起非常可爱。 They were both very cute together.
但这一切都是在孩子的层面上完成的。 But it's all done on the level of children.
当你为孩子们写作时，这是一个完全不同的世界。 It's a whole different world when you're writing for kids.
这是一次慈善活动。 It was a charitable endeavor.
制片人是在麦当劳工作过的人， The producer is a man that worked for McDonald's,
这个主要供应商是谁，一个千万富翁。 who is this big, main supplier, a multimillionaire.
他可能是在美化自己的形象 He was probably, you know, polishing his own look
通过拍一部电影，把所有的钱都给这家公司。 by making a film and giving all of the money to this company.
一切都是交易 Everything is a deal
落后于电影，因为电影的制作成本太高。 behind films because films just cost way too much money to make.
是电影里的麦当劳先生 Well, the Ronald McDonald actor in the film
就是电视上所有广告里出现的那个 was the one that was actually on TV in all the commercials.
这是一次完美的跨界。 It was a crossover of perfection.
我们有他们给我们的这栋楼。 We have this building that they're giving us.
我们能跳多少舞就跳多少。 We have as many dances as we can put in there.
这就是它的起源。 That's how it was created.
其中一个舞者 One of the dancers
我们拍摄的背景是詹妮弗·安妮斯顿 in that background, which we shot was Jennifer Aniston.
你能相信吗? Can you believe that?
没有人向这位制片人致敬 Nobody paid tribute to this producer
还拍了一部电影来帮助残疾人 than made a whole movie to help people who were handicapped
涉足电影行业，会毁了这孩子。 have more presence in the film business, and it destroyed the kid.
他这么做是因为他想让人们知道什么是不能移动的 He did it because he wanted to show the people that couldn't move
除了坐轮椅能做这些事。 except in a wheelchair could do all this stuff.
然后保罗·路德出现了，他在整个场景中都很突出 So then Paul Rudd comes along and he sticks out this whole scene
杰德失去了轮椅的控制 with Jade losing control of his wheelchair
从悬崖上飞下来。 and flying off a cliff.
他年复一年地这样做， He did it year after year after year,
他凭一己之力让那部电影活了下来。 he has single-handedly kept that movie alive.
我很想和他坐下来写续集 I would love to sit down with him and write a sequel
他和这个怪物主演的那部电影。 to that movie with him starring in it with this creature.
我妻子总说我们应该给保罗·路德打电话。 My wife's always saying we should call Paul Rudd.
有时科幻小说也有义务 Sometimes science fiction holds an obligation
传达信息甚至评论 to give messages and even commentary
关于我们的社会制度。 about our social systems.
陌生的国家。 Alien Nation.
《异形民族》正在处理 Alien Nation was tackling
种族主义和种族隔离的主题。 themes of racism and segregation.
至少我是个警探，不是什么外太空的东西。 At least I'm a detective, not some outer shit space thing.
不是很微妙的比喻。 Not very subtle metaphor.
他们的船是一艘奴隶船 Their ship was a slave ship,
被冲到地球上，无法回到它们的出发地。 washed ashore on Earth, with no way to get back to where they came from.
他们是在洛杉矶定居的移民 They are immigrants who have ended up in L.A.
大部分时间都在做粗活。 a lot of the time doing the menial jobs.
所以这是一种这是一种洛杉矶的方式 So it's a kind of it's a look at the way L.A.
的工作原理。 works.
《异形国度》基本上是一个科幻版本 Alien Nation is basically a science fiction version
兄弟警察电影。 of a buddy cop movie.
改变主意了吗? Change your mind?
两个不般配的警察一起破案， two mismatched cops come together to solve a crime,
这是80年代的一个著名比喻。 well known trope by this point in the '80s.
嘿，信号不错的白痴! Hey, nice signal dickhead!
这部电影由詹姆斯·凯恩饰演人类警察马特·赛克斯。 The film stars James Caan as the human cop, Matt Sykes.
曼迪·帕廷金饰演他的外星人对手，乔治·弗朗西斯科。 And Mandy Patinkin as his alien counterpart, George Francisco.
我的真名是斯坦格娅-索伦兹。 My true name is Stangya-Sorenz-Ahhhh.
——Sorenz-ah。好吧,一厢情愿。-谢谢。 - Sorenz-ah. Well, gesundheit. - Thank you.
我会叫你乔治。 I'll call you George.
特伦斯·斯坦普(Terence Stamp)饰演影片中的反派角色。 Terence Stamp plays the newcomer, the villain in the film.
你敢动一根手指，你就完蛋了，听到了吗? You move one finger and you're history, you hear me?
没有历史。永恒! Not history. Eternity!
盖尔·安妮·赫德。 Gale Anne Hurd.
她不想仅仅被视为詹姆斯·卡梅隆的制片人，她想说， She didn't want to be seen just as James Cameron's producer, she wanted to say,
事实上，我自己做自己的事。这就是《异形国度》出现的原因。 actually, I do my own things. And that's where Alien Nation comes in.
它给人一种终结者的感觉，有种终结者的感觉 It has the feel of the Terminator, it has a feel of that
就像卡梅隆的科幻小说一样。 look the way that Cameron went about science fiction.
药在哪里? Where's the drug?
把科学带到当代。 Bring the science to the contemporary.
把它带到现在的城市和洛杉矶 Bring it to the current city and that idea that Los Angeles
是整部作品中必不可少的角色。 is an essential character in the whole piece.
最初，斯坦·温斯顿和他的团队得到这份工作时， Initially, when Stan Winston and his team got that job,
他们希望让外星人不那么像人类。 they were hoping to make the aliens a little less humanoid.
他的一些团队正在研究 Some of his team were looking at the
小路易斯·戈塞特在《敌人地雷》中的角色作为他们前进方向的灵感 Louis Gossett Jr. character in Enemy Mine as inspiration for where they could go
但最后，我很明智地认为，制片人说，不， But in the end, and I believe wisely so, the filmmakers said, no,
我们想让他们更接近人类来真正发挥主题 we want them to be closer to human to really play up that theme of
我们最终还是相似的，对吧? we're similar in the end, right?
那么为什么会有这些差异呢? So why these differences?
我是说，这是橡胶做的，是拉伸的，对吧? Yeah, I mean, it's made of rubber, it's stretches, right?
它还合身吗? And still it fits?
这种流派一直以来 This genre has always
是关于我们思想的扩展以及我们如何与他人相处。 been about the expansion of our ideas and how we relate to one another.
我们的社会元素，我们的社会结构，甚至元素 Our social elements, our social structure, even elements
我们应该更加注意甚至拆除。 that we should be more mindful of and even dismantle.
那我们为什么要服用这些药物呢?为什么他们不能去俄罗斯 So why do we have to take them? Why can't they go to Russia
-或者类似的地方。-我要为此干一杯。 - or some place like that. - I'll drink to that.
陌生的国家 Alien Nation
后来，当它被重新开发成电视节目时，它蓬勃发展起来。 thrived later, when it was redeveloped for television.
那就是我们每周谈论的主题出现在你面前的时候， That's when the themes that we talk about are in your face every week,
这部剧成为了所有这些话题故事的寓言 and the show becomes an allegory for all of these topical stories
时至今日仍能引起共鸣。 that are still resonating today.
你去哪里找樱桃2000? Where do you go looking for a Cherry 2000?
一个后世界末日的世界，有这种 A post-apocalyptic world that has this kind of
科技乌托邦和我们现在所处的环境非常相似。 technological utopia that is very similar to what we find ourselves in today.
你知道，一切都安排好了 You know, everything's kind of taken care of
然而，整个地下世界都在勉强度日 and yet there's a whole underworld just barely getting by and getting by
用最巧妙，最暴力，最恐怖的方式。 in the most ingenious and sort of violent and horrible ways.
-你从哪里来，先生?——阿纳海姆。 - Where you from, mister? - Anaheim.
真的是这样 It really is
在幻想方面有点吓人。 a little scary in its visionary aspects.
世界上大多数人都放弃了感情。 Most of the world has given up on relationships.
如果你的伴侣在樱桃2000，这是一个缩影 So if you had your domestic mate at Cherry 2000, which was the epitome
你想要的东西，你知道，如果它坏了，你就得不到了 of what you would want, you know, if it breaks, you can't get it
固定在当前世界，所以你必须去第七区。 fixed in the current world, so you have to go out into zone 7.
她是樱桃2000。 She's a Cherry 2000.
我要你去第七区，给我找一个像她一样的。 I want you to go into zone 7, and get me one just like her.
一个导演刚闹翻了，后来我才知道是Irv Kershner， A director just fell out, I found out later it was Irv Kershner,
他们急切地想找个人去射击。 and they were desperate to get somebody and go shoot.
我读了20页，很精彩，很奇怪， I read 20 pages and it was brilliant, weird stuff,
所以我跳上了Cherry，那是一辆正在行驶的火车。 so I jumped on Cherry, which was a moving train.
梅兰妮·格里菲斯，她刚生了孩子。 Melanie Griffith, she just had a baby.
所以这是一个非常艰难的拍摄，她必须忍受很多。 So it was a very tough shoot, she really had to endure a lot.
机器人修理的东西里有个小彩蛋 There's a little Easter egg in the robot repair thing where
大卫·安德鲁斯饰演的萨姆·特德韦尔去看机器人修理 Sam Treadwell, played by David Andrews, goes to see a robot repair
我花钱把机器人罗比和戈特放进去， guy, and I put Robby the robot and Gort in there, at my expense,
是从我小主管的贿赂基金里拿的。禁星是 it was out of my little director's slush fund. Forbidden Planet is
这可能是第一部真正影响我的科幻电影。 probably the first movie of the sci fi genre that really influenced me.
所以这是回馈。 So it was giving back to that.
我被监控着对罗比这个名字的反应。 I am monitored to respond to the name Robby.
我们在内华达所有有毒的地方拍摄 We shot in every toxic location in Nevada
胡佛水坝内部的电磁力 inside Hoover Dam, electromagnetic forces
在溢洪道和辐射区 in the spillways and radiation zones
编造了一些疯狂，夸张的东西 concocted some crazy, over-the-top
RPG战斗之类的东西。 RPG fights and things like that.
有磁铁的那个大布景 The one big set piece with the magnet
在野马里。 in the Mustang.
你今天绝不会这么做，全是电脑合成的。 You'd never do it today, it would all be CGI.
这是一个真正的噱头 It's a real stunt
一个女人紧紧抓住胡佛水坝上的那辆车 woman hanging on to that car out over Hoover Dam.
谢天谢地，这只是一次拍摄。 Thank God it was only one take.
维加斯被埋在沙丘里，我想那是第一次有人这么做。 Vegas buried in sand dunes, I think that was the first time it was ever done.
我们做了旧的玻璃地图，你可以在上面画画 We did old glass maps where you actually paint
然后在里面拍摄，在那里建了一个大的布景。 and shoot through them, built big sets poking out of there.
拉斯维加斯的歌舞女郎什么的。 The Vegas showgirls and all that.
除了在这个过程中炸毁了内华达的很多地方，它真的是关于爱的， Besides blowing up a lot of Nevada in the process, it's really about love,
关于寻找真爱，而不是一个理想化的伴侣 about finding true love, not an idealized mate
听你吩咐，给你做饭。 that does your bidding and cooks you dinner.
这是关于与一个坚强、平等或优越的女性互动。 It's about interactions with a tough, equal or superior woman.
最后，意识到这一点 And finally, realizing that
这是更可取的。 that's more desirable.
其中一个方面 One of the aspects
成为科幻小说迷让我着迷 of being a science fiction fan was a fascination
用科学带给我们未来世界的东西。 with what science can bring us in the world of tomorrow.
可能是什么?可能是什么呢? What might be? What could be?
你好，我是Johnny Cab。 Hello, I'm Johnny Cab.
这是对我们未来的预测。 It is a forecast into our future.
许多科幻小说作家都在写作 A lot of science fiction writers are writing
以及开发在未来最终成为现实的技术。 and developing technologies that end up becoming real in the future.
医学、技术和科学领域的人们， People in the fields of medicine and technology and science,
知道所有这些人都受到了启发是非常令人兴奋的 it's very exciting to know that all of these people were inspired
看《星际迷航》。 by watching Star Trek.
克林贡木乃伊雕文。 Klingon mummification glyph.
1987年地球上发生的主要历史事件是什么? What were the principal historical events on the planet Earth in the year 1987?
正确的。 Correct.
科幻模仿现实生活，现实生活模仿科幻。 Sci fi imitates real life, real life imitates sci fi.
我们创建 We create
艺术通过我们的电影和我们想象的故事， art through our movies and our stories that is of our imagination,
然后有人在某个地方说，“嘿，嘿， and then someone somewhere goes, "Hey, hey,
“如果我能做到呢?” "what if I could do that?"
你想到了所有的事情 You think of all the things
那是某人的臆想。 that were figments of someone's imagination.
运动追踪器，谁会想到呢? Motion trackers, who would have thunk?
现在我们几乎要依赖GPS了。 And now we're almost reliant on GPS.
跟踪呢?我们可以查一下他的确切数字 What about tracking? We can check his exact
任何时候的位置。 location at all times.
电话，那不是电话，是 The phone, which is not a phone, it's
手机，相机，日常用品，还有卷尺。 a phone, it's a camera, it's your day runner, it has a tape measure.
它的一切。这是你的整个人生。 It's everything. It's your entire life.
我从没想过我会戴着电脑 I never thought I'd be wearing a computer
戴在我手腕上，简直可笑。 on my wrist, it's just laughable.
在我们的iphone中，有些电脑实际上更强大 There are computers in our iPhones that are actually more powerful
比阿波罗任务中的计算机要多，对吧? than the computer that was in the Apollo missions, right?
这令人难以置信。 Which is mind boggling.
在《逃离》中，几乎有互联网 In Runaway, there was that almost internet
在时机成熟之前。 before its time.
无人机技术。 The drone technology.
警方正在准备一个漂浮摄像机，它将进入房子 Police are preparing a floater camera which will enter the house
试图找到逃跑的912号车和婴儿。 in an attempt to locate the runaway 912 and the infant.
所有这些东西都变得栩栩如生。 All of that stuff has pretty much come to life.
科学已经赶上了科幻小说。 The science has caught up to the science fiction.
过去50年里的技术进步比现在更多 There is more technological advance in the past 50 years than there is
在50年前所有有记录的历史中，这将继续下去。 in all of recorded history up to 50 years ago, and that will continue.
阿瑟·c·克拉克的定义 Arthur C. Clarke's definition
任何先进的技术都和魔法无异。 that any advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic.
我们今天认为不可能的事 What we think of today as impossible
15年20年甚至1000年都很神奇 and magical in 15 or 20 or even 1000
年复一年。 years will be commonplace.
我们只是不知道会发生什么。 We just don't know what's around the corner.
它一定会让我们大吃一惊。 And it's bound to be something that will blow our minds right.
我只希望人类能继续受到鼓舞 I would only hope that humankind would continue to be inspired
通过未来的可能性。 by the possibilities of the future.
这太疯狂了。我不知道我们要去哪里。 It's crazy. I don't know where we're headed.
在某种程度上，所有这些东西都会被植入到我们大脑的某个地方 At some point, all of this stuff is going to be implanted into our heads somewhere
我们只要想想，它就会出现在我们面前。 and we'll just think something and there it'll be in front of us.
为什么不呢? Why not?
我想问一个问题。我会做梦吗? I would like to ask a question. Will I dream?
你当然会做梦。 Of course you will dream.
有些已经实现的事情非常可怕。 Some of the things that have come to fruition are very scary.
你知道，当我们谈论面部识别和深度伪造技术时， You know, when we talk about facial recognition, deepfake technologies,
有可能接管地球的人工智能， artificial intelligence that could potentially take over the planet,
这些都是预测到的事情 these are the kinds of things that were forecast
在80年代的科幻电影中，现在才开始崩溃。 in the '80s sci fi films that are just now starting to break.
深度造假，这是一个存在的问题， Deepfakes, this is an existential issue,
因为我们会回到这个问题上，你信任你的同胞吗? because we're going to come back to the idea of, do you trust your fellow man?
这不是deepfake会带来不同。 It's not the deepfake that's going to make the difference.
是deepfake的幕后黑手。 It's the guy behind the deepfake.
现在，你甚至不需要做深度伪造。 Right now, you don't even have to do a deepfake.
只要一遍又一遍地撒同一个谎，你就会被骗进去。 Just tell the same lie over and over and over again and you're in.
对我来说，这才是令人不安的部分，而不是唱海妖歌的能力。 To me, that's the disturbing part, not the ability to sing the siren song.
是那些被诱惑的人。 It's the people who are seduced by it.
我们找到了自己 We find ourselves now
这既鼓舞人心又反乌托邦 in this somewhat both inspiring and dystopian
未来世界就像我们看过的电影一样。 future world that's very much like the movies that we all watched.
这是对80年代电影的怀旧 Part of the nostalgia for the '80s movies
他们很好地处理了很多这些恐惧。 is that they dealt with a lot of these fears very, very well.
他们处理政府的偏执。 They dealt with government paranoia.
他们处理技术的过度扩张和过度创新。 They dealt with technological overreach and hyper innovation.
为了进步，你到底牺牲了什么? What are you really sacrificing in the name of progress.
是的，电脑会试图杀死我们。 And, yeah, computers are going to try to kill us.
我认为在某种程度上电脑试图杀死我们。 And I think in some way computers have tried to kill us.
我们已经生活在天网的结构中。 We already live within the construct of Skynet.
如果你在社交媒体上 If you're on any social media,
所有这些系统都是正在聚合的人工智能系统 all of those systems are artificial intelligence systems that are aggregating
所有的算法，找出你是谁 all of those algorithms and figuring out who you are
用一种你都无法理解的方式。 in a way that you don't even understand.
他们还不能制造那样的东西。 They cannot make things like that yet.
还没有。 Not yet.
终结者中的天网 Skynet in Terminator
就是那个警告，每次你输入一个数据， was the warning, and every time you input a piece of data,
你是在给那个所谓的"天网"添乱 you were adding to that quote unquote Skynet.
提高到36。 Enhance 34 to 36.
我认为每一代人都在关注新技术。 I think every generation looks at the new technology.
我认为恐惧和希望总是并存的。 There's the scariness and this hopefulness that I think always coexist.
所以归根结底，这取决于我们是否有适当的系统 And so it comes down to do we have systems in place
这让我们看到了科技的好处 that allow us the beneficial aspects of technology
同时限制滥用和误用的可能性。 while limiting the potential for abuse and misuse.
我认为对于每一项新技术，每一个科幻小说的想法， I think that for every new technology, for every sci fi idea,
你可以找到一部充满希望的电影 you can find a movie that's hopeful
关于它将如何改变世界。 about what that's going to do to transform the world.
一部关于这东西将如何毁灭一切的电影。 And a movie that's terrified about how this thing is going to destroy everything.
没有一个科幻概念是你找不到的 There isn't a single sci fi concept where you can't find
这两种类型的电影。 both of those kinds of movies.
比尔和泰德。 Bill & Ted's.
太好了!太好了! Excellent! Excellent!
优秀的冒险。 Excellent Adventure.
如果你手中掌握着众神的终极力量会怎样 What if you had the ultimate power of the gods in your hand
但你这么做是愚蠢至极 and yet you're such an imbecile that you did
没什么，真的。 nothing with it, really.
我们不过是风中之尘，伙计。 All we are is dust in the wind, dude.
看到剧本写出来真是太好了 It was so nice to see a script written
和那些还年轻的年轻人。 with young people who were still young.
我们是怀尔德·斯泰伦斯! We're Wyld Stallyns!
谁有纯真 Who had innocence
开放，不愤世嫉俗，不厌倦，不说话 and openness and weren't cynical and jaded and weren't talking
就像伍迪·艾伦电影里的人物一样 like characters out of a Woody Allen movie at 16.
你们好吗，皇家丑八怪们? How's it going, royal ugly dudes?
基努和我被雇用的原因可能是 The reason that Keanu and I probably got hired was that
我们都是戏剧孩子，我们都非常认真地对待角色。 we were both theater kids and we both took the characters very seriously.
真诚地对待他们 Really playing them with sincerity
而且不是对观众眨眼和点头。 and not with a wink and a nod at the audience.
又不是《回到未来》 It's not Back to the Future.
你知道，我们没有那么大。 You know, we're not that big.
我们没有很多钱，但我们确实倾向于那种乌合之众， We didn't have a lot of money, but we really leaned into the kind of ragtag,
真诚的模拟本性本hyper sincere analog nature of this hyper
我们所处的真实情况。 real situation that we were in.
嘿!这是我们。我们回到圣迪马斯了! Hey! That's us. We're back in San Dimas!
是的。只是现在不是现在。这是昨晚。 Yeah. Only now it's not now. It's last night.
《比尔和泰德》中我最喜欢的场景是K圈 My favorite scene from Bill and Ted is the Circle K
当电话亭到的时候。 when the phone booth arrives.
不坏! Not bad!
就科幻小说而言， In terms of sci fi conceits,
和自己演对手戏真的很有趣。 acting opposite yourself was really fun.
K圈发生了奇怪的事。 Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.
时间旅行。 Time travel.
多个版本的自己。 Multiple versions of yourself.
- 69个男人!——哇。 - 69 dudes! - Whoa.
这种想法太可怕了 That kind of mind screw
类型的东西最有趣。 type stuff is the most fun.
成吉思汗，想吃奶油蛋糕吗? Want a Twinkie, Genghis Khan?
我们的电影是一部奇怪的电影。 Our film is a strange movie.
我是达斯·泰德。 I'm Darth Ted.
我永远不会和你一起统治宇宙! I'll never rule the universe with you!
我们没有叫鲁弗斯的 We didn't have a Rufus for,
你知道，它已经进入生产阶段了。 you know, it was well into production.
亲爱的朋友们，你们好。 Greetings, my excellent friends.
我是来帮你写历史报告的。 I'm here to help you with your history report.
他们一直拿名字来攻击我们，还去找康纳利， They kept throwing names at us, and they went after Connery,
我觉得《时光大盗》的事， I think with the Time Bandits thing,
基努和我真的很担心他们会去 Keanu and I were actually genuinely worried that they were going
选错了鲁弗斯，但我们真的很幸运能选到卡林。 to cast the wrong Rufus, but we were really, really lucky with Carlin.
我对时间旅行的规定不严格，我只是想娱乐一下。 I'm not strict about time travel rules, I just want to be entertained.
时间旅行机制实际上非常非常紧凑 The time travel mechanics are actually very, very tight
而且非常非常现实。 and very, very realistic.
我们穿越回两天前，偷你爸爸的钥匙，放在这里! We'll time travel back to two days ago, steal your dad's keys and leave them here!
我最喜欢的时间旅行机制是比尔和泰德决定的时候 My favorite time travel mechanic is when Bill and Ted decide
他们要在未来用时光机做一件事。 that they're going to do a thing in the future using the time machine.
——看到了吗?-哇，耶! - See? - Wow, yeah!
这是闭环时间旅行的终极机制。 That's the ultimate sort of closed loop time travel mechanic.
我们不能忘记做这件事，否则它就不会发生。 We can't forget to do this, otherwise it won't happen.
但它确实发生了! But it did happen!
它真的有可能在任何时候偏离轨道。 It really could have gone off the rails at any point along the way.
我们的历史。 We're history.
对于所有时间回路的东西，他们只有一个像独木舟一样的展台 For all of the circuits of time stuff, they just had a booth that was like a canoe
就像楔在一个非常摇晃的液压杆的顶部 just kind of wedged onto the top of like this really rickety hydraulic pole
那是在很高的空中，就像一个劣质的摄影棚 that was very high in the air in like a shoddy sound-stage
凤凰城外的某个地方。 outside of Phoenix somewhere.
125度。 125 degrees.
总是大汗淋漓。 Sweating profusely all the time.
每个人都在天堂里发臭看起来就像一辆糟糕的嘉年华车。 Everyone just stinking to high heaven looks like a bad carny ride.
这就像……到处乱晃，你知道，我们肯定会死。 And it's like going... Jerking around, you know, certain we were going to die.
这部电影被搁置了一整年，所以一年后才上映。 The movie got shelved, so it came out a full year later.
我本以为这款游戏会取得成功，但它却爆发了。 I'd written it off as having any success, and then it just exploded.
当你在一部像这样刺穿流行文化的电影中， When you're in a film that punctures pop culture like that,
真的没有办法为它做好准备，因为它非常超现实。 there's really no way to be prepared for it, because it is very surreal.
派对开始吧，伙计们! Party on, dudes!
我认为如果?流派绝对是科幻流派 I think the What if? genre is definitely a sci fi genre
任何关于炸弹爆炸的事情，比如核战争，都带有科幻小说的色彩。 and there is a sci fi veneer to anything about bombs going off, like nuclear war.
它绝对属于科幻小说的范畴， It definitely falls into the sci fi category,
至少……直到它发生。 at least... until it happens.
奇迹英里。 Miracle Mile.
听着，我只是一个接电话的人。 Listen, I'm just a guy, who-who picked up the phone.
这是一个著名的剧本。 It was a famous script.
每个人都在谈论这个剧本。 Everybody's talked about this script.
这是一部大胆的电影，我想，晚上只花1.98美元。 It's an audacious movie made for, I think, a $1.98 at night.
对我来说，这就像早期的斯皮尔伯格。 To me, it was like early Spielberg.
这不可能是真的。 This can't be true.
它不能。 It can't.
你会怎么做 What would you do
如果你是唯一一个知道自己只能活70分钟的人? if you were the only person to know that you have 70 minutes to live?
鲁布·戈德堡 The Rube Goldberg
《奇迹一英里》里他决定戒烟 thing in Miracle Mile is that he decides to quit smoking,
于是他把烟扔了下去，一只鸽子把它捡了起来。 so he throws his cigarette down and a pigeon picks it up.
他躺下打个盹，准备在午夜与他的新爱人见面， He lays down to take a nap to meet his newfound love at midnight,
停电了，他迟到了三个小时。 and the power goes off and he's three hours late.
你刚错过她。 You just missed her.
我的闹钟没响。酒店的电也断了。 My alarm didn't go off. And the power went out in the hotel.
这部电影真的开始了 This movie really starts going
当电话响的时候。 when the phone rings.
你到底在说什么? What exactly are you talking about?
-我说的是他妈的核战争!-你是谁? - I'm talking about nuclear fucking war! - Who is this?
如果你不小心接到了那个电话，你会怎么做 What would you do if you accidentally got that phone call
你就知道它就要来了?让人们认真思考这个问题 and you just know that it's coming? By getting people to really think about that
仔细想想，它会影响现实世界的决策。 and reflect on it, it affects decision making in the real world.
总是在走钢丝，这发生了吗? It's always walking that tightrope of is this happening?
我疯了吗? Am I crazy?
所以他是从导弹发射井打来的。 So he was calling from a missile silo.
他说他们被锁在里面了!50分钟，还在继续。 He said that they were locked in! 50 minutes and counting.
时钟开始的真实时间 The real time when the clock started
倒数，这是一个极好的大会。 counting down, it's a fabulous convention.
避孕套!我们不需要这些了。 Condoms! We won't be needing these.
我们得让整个星球的人口重新增长。 We got to repopulate the whole planet.
有趣的是 The interesting thing
是里面的怪人和里面的爱情故事。 was the odd people in it and the love story within it.
相信我! Trust me with this!
与什么? With what?
我爱你。 I love you.
到最后，这条汽车的河流成了标志性的画面之一 By the end, it's sort of one of the iconic images, this river of cars
还有人类的混乱。 and human chaos.
这很疯狂 It was pretty crazy
用这么低的预算来做这件事。 for us to do that on this low budget.
我中枪摔倒了，我的脸掉在格栅上。 I'm shot and fall, my face falls on a grate.
那是我希区柯克式的客串。 That's my Hitchcockian cameo.
制作这部电影花了300万美元，即使在80年代， It was $3 million to make this movie, which even in the '80s,
我不知道我们是怎么做到的。 I don't know how we did it.
你现在就告诉我!你在开玩笑吧?! You tell me now! You joking, huh?!
拍摄期间，我每天都有被解雇的危险 I was in danger of being fired every day of the shoot
因为他们说这是不可能的。 because they said it was impossible to do.
华纳兄弟出价不菲。 Warner Brothers offered a fortune.
他们说如果我们把《奇迹一英里》做成一个单层的《阴阳魔界》。 They said if we thought about making Miracle Mile as a single story Twilight Zone.
他们唯一想做的改变就是他一觉醒来，一切都是一场梦 The only change they wanted to make was he woke up and it was all a dream
然后又开始发生，这不会让任何人满意。 and then started happening again, which would just not satisfy anybody.
完全是一片混乱!恐惧，是完全的，绝对的…… It's total chaos! The fear, it's total, absolute...
我不想做 I didn't want to do
任何给你希望的事，我都不想说。 anything that gave you hope, I hate to say it.
我想让人们震惊。 I wanted to shake people up.
我想让他们走出剧院去做点什么 I wanted to have them walk out of the theater and go do something
关于这个问题。 about the issue.
今晚更有可能发生 It could happen more likely tonight
比89年要多。 than back in '89.
忘掉你刚才听到的一切，回去睡觉。 Forget everything you just heard and go back to sleep.
我从《亲爱的，我缩小了孩子们》中得到了巨大的乐趣。 I got a huge kick out of Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
真是个愚蠢的主意，我以为处理得很好。 What an absolutely silly idea that I thought was really well handled.
你不知道周围的小事有多可怕 You don't realize how terrifying all the little things around
直到你比任何东西都小为止。 you can be until you're smaller than everything.
亲爱的，《我缩小了孩子》是关于 Honey, I Shrunk the Kids is about
一个由里克·莫拉尼斯扮演的科学家，他不小心缩小了他的孩子 a scientist played by Rick Moranis, who accidentally shrinks his kids
他们必须穿过后院才能回家，你知道， and they have to traverse this backyard in order to get back home and, you know,
在他的后院与各种危险作斗争，现在它们都这么大了。 fight all sorts of dangers in his backyard now that they're this big.
-我缩小了孩子。——什么? - I shrunk the kids. - What?
汤普森家的孩子也是。它们大概有这么大，它们在后院。 The Thompson kids too. They are about this big, they're in the backyard.
- - - - - -什么? !-和垃圾一起扔了。 - What?! - Threw them out with the trash.
这是对理查德·马西森的故事《不可思议的退缩者》的完美模仿， It's a dead lift on the Richard Matheson story, The Incredible Shrinking Man,
这是我小时候最喜欢的科幻电影之一。 which was one of my favorite sci fi movies when I was a kid.
马西森非常超前于他的时代。 Matheson was very ahead of his time.
里面提到了那部电影。 There's allusions to that movie in it.
有一些场景是他们与某些昆虫搏斗，以示敬意 There are sequences where they're fighting certain insects as an homage
过去的那些电影。 to those movies of the past.
亲爱的，我把孩子缩小了。 Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
这部电影叫《小小鸡》，给了我一个机会 The movie was called Teeny Weenies and gave me an opportunity
和我的朋友乔·约翰斯顿合作他的第一部影院故事片。 to work with my buddy Joe Johnston on his first theatrical feature film.
有一个大蝎子的场景。 There was a big scorpion scene.
我们所做的就是和蚂蚁战斗 What we essentially did was that, the fighting the ant
追赶这些孩子，蚂蚁来拯救他们。 and going after these children, and the ant comes to the rescue.
停止运动的生物，你不需要相机移动来驱动 Stop motion creatures, you don't want camera moves to drive
性能，我们希望性能驱动相机。 the performance, we want the performance to drive the camera.
还有一个在洛杉矶的单位 And then there is another unit down in Los Angeles
和戴夫·艾伦一起拍了其他关于蚂蚁的戏。 with Dave Allen that was doing the other scenes with the ant.
在80年代拍电影有一件事 one of the things about making movies in the '80s
今天的人们不一定能理解 that people today don't necessarily understand
就是你需要找到多少种不同的解。 is how many different solutions to things you had to find.
你不能直接把它扔到电脑里，就是这样。 You couldn't just throw it into a computer, and that's it.
你必须使用强制透视，缩微和放大， You had to use forced perspective, miniatures and bigatures,
有时在一个单独的场景中，你可能会有一个电子动画 and sometimes in the single scene, you might have a animatronic
孩子们在骑然后一个特写，只有一个头。 and the kids are riding on and then a close up that's just a head.
这是一个完全不同的道具。 It's an entirely different prop.
你必须真正思考你要怎么做 And you had to really sort of think about how you were going to do
电影中的每一个镜头都有不同的独特之处 every single shot in a movie and come up with a different unique
解决方案。 solution.
谢谢你载我，安提。 Thanks for the lift, anty.
它有一种不太现实的美感 It has this esthetic that is not quite realistic looking
在很多地方都是这样，但在电影里是100%管用的 in a lot of places, but it 100% works for the movie
以及他们讲述的电影基调。这些巨大的草叶 and the tone of the movie that they're telling. These giant blades of grass
看看他们在电影里应该是什么样子。 look exactly how they should look for that movie.
知道一部电影是在实践中完成的最棒的事情 The great thing about knowing that a movie was done practically
你知道有个孩子在附近游泳吗 is that you know that at some point there was actually a kid swimming around
在一大碗牛奶里用一大块麦圈当救生圈。 in a giant bowl of milk using a giant cheerio as a life preserver.
的帮助!别吃我! Help! Don't eat me!
我们中的一些人觉得这个世界为了自身的利益变得有点太愤世嫉俗了， Some of us feel like the world was getting a little too cynical for its own good,
有点太自知之明了。 a little too self-aware for its own good.
像《亲爱的，我缩小了孩子们》这样的电影就像是在说:“听着，我们走吧，玩得开心 A movie like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids was just like, "Look, let's just go, enjoy ourselves
"享受世界的纯真和甜蜜" "and enjoy the innocence and sweetness of the world."
我的书架上总有它的位置 It's always got a place on my shelf
因为这个原因。 for that reason.
尼克!我还有六个小时赶回家，变胖，然后去商场。 Nick! I've got six hours to get home, get big, and get to the mall.
现在行动起来! Now get moving!
我是詹姆斯·卡梅隆 I'm James Cameron
我想带你进入一个冰冷黑暗的世界 and I want to take you into a world of cold darkness
还有无情的压力。 and unrelenting pressure.
《深渊》是一部在边疆拍摄的电影 The Abyss is a film that's made on a frontier
从物理的角度来说 in terms of the physicality of how
他们在水下拍摄了这部电影 they made the film literally underwater
这是一部技术和电影制作能力都处于前沿的电影 it's a film made in a frontier of technology and film-making ability
还有经典的镜头和讲故事的感觉。 and a classic camera and storytelling sense.
这是多种因素的混合。 It's a mix of things.
这是个无底洞，宝贝。 It's a bottomless pit, baby.
两英里半，一直往下。 Two and a half miles, straight down.
玛丽·伊丽莎白·马斯特朗安东尼奥 Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio
和埃德·哈里斯，两个主角，是一对不和的夫妇。 and Ed Harris, the two lead characters, are an estranged couple.
在极端情况下， Under extreme circumstances,
爱繁荣。 love flourishes.
你可以做到的。 You can do this.
这是一个可爱的倒置异形 It's a lovely inversion of Aliens
在某种程度上。海豹突击队才是坏人 in a way. The Navy SEALs are the bad guys
外星人是好人。 and the aliens are the good guys.
如果那里没有外星人，你会不会更喜欢这幅画呢 Wouldn't you have liked the picture better if they hadn't had the aliens down there
只是花了更多的时间和我们在一起 and just spent more time with the rest of us--
我认为他们只是加入了另一个更有趣的元素。 I just think they just put in another element that was more fun.
这对我不起作用。 It doesn't work for me.
与《深渊》相比，《异形》简直是小菜一碟。 Aliens was a cakewalk compared to The Abyss.
吉姆·卡梅隆，他不受傻瓜的折磨，但原因是 Jim Cameron, he doesn't suffer fools, but the reason why
他被称为工头是因为他做了工作 he's known as being a taskmaster is because he's done the work
他希望所有的船员都能像他一样努力工作。 and he expects all of the crew to work as hard as he is.
宇航员的t恤上写着， Crew members actually had a T-shirt that said,
“人生的深渊，然后你潜入。” "Life's Abyss, and then you dive."
这几乎是他作为电影人的精神。 It was almost his ethos as a filmmaker.
我要做不可能的事。 I will make the impossible.
我会想办法做这些事的。 I will find a way of doing these things.
他们在加夫尼的核发射井里发射的。 They shot it in these nuclear silos, in Gaffney.
灌满水，灌满氯。 Filled it with water, filled it with chlorine.
他们不得不在水箱顶部放上黑珠子，以阻止光线进入， They had to put black beads across the top of the tank to stop the light getting in,
但它能让你在紧急情况下离开水。 but it allowed you to get out of the water in case of emergencies.
拍那样的电影很危险。你会得减压病的 It's dangerous film-making like that. You can get the bends just in the
如果你跳得太快，就会掉进18英尺深的游泳池。 Olympic swimming pool or at 18 feet deep if you jump up too quick.
在一天结束的时候，他们必须花时间安全地离开那个布景。 They had to take their time at the end of the day to safely get out of that set.
——芽。-放轻松，巴德。 - Bud. - Relax now, Bud.
看我。 Watch me.
这个序列 That sequence where
他们必须在水里呼吸。 they had to basically breathe in water.
我看到他们的时候就那样，我简直不敢相信。 I was like that when I saw them, I just-- I couldn't believe it.
当他吸入液氧时，那是假的。 When he had breathed the liquid oxygen, that's fake.
所以他必须屏住呼吸。 So he has to hold his breath.
我们都吸了九个月的液体，巴德。你的身体会记住的。 We all breathed liquid for nine months, Bud. Your body will remember.
一名海豹突击队队员演示了你可以呼吸液氧， A Navy SEAL demonstrates you can breathe liquid oxygen,
这个实验就是对这种效果的真实展示。 and that is a real demonstration of the effect, the experiment.
有五只老鼠，五次实验。 There were five rats, five takes.
第五只老鼠挣扎着。 The fifth rat struggled.
卡梅隆给它做了心肺复苏。 Cameron had to give it CPR.
——看到了吗?他很好。-是个女的。 - See? He's fine. - It's a she.
但是耐力测试 But the endurance test
对于电影制作人和演员来说都是非常困难的。 for the filmmakers and for the cast was beyond difficult.
每个人都有经历，这是决定成败的关键时刻。 Everyone had experiences on it, which will kind of make or break moments.
他们有安全潜水员，他们被称为天使。 They had safety divers, they're called angels.
好吧，拍得不错，爱德华。我想打印出来，但我们再做一次。 Okay, that was a good take, Edward. I want to print that, but let's do it again.
艾德·哈里斯，一个硬汉。 Ed Harris, a tough guy.
他必须在水下游大约40米， He had to swim underwater for about 40 meters,
还有一些场景是他濒临无法呼吸的边缘。 and there are scenes where he just at the brink of not being able to breathe anymore.
卡梅隆本人就有一个不可思议的故事 Cameron himself has an incredible story
因为人们忘记了他只会呆在水下。 because people forget he would just stay underwater.
他有举重和其他的训练。他可以让自己呆在水箱底部。 He had weights and everything. He could keep himself at the bottom of the tank.
卡梅隆戴上了氧气面罩。 And Cameron pulls on his oxygen mask.
没什么。他说:“我有麻烦了。” Nothing. And he goes, "I'm in trouble."
这时一名安全潜水员认为自己遇到了危险， And that's when a safety diver thinks he's in distress,
因为他是，而且出来时带着呼吸器 because he is, and comes out with a respirator
把呼吸器放错了，拉水 and puts the respirator in wrong, pulls water
直接进入他的肺部 straight into his lungs,
它开始推开，因为它快要淹死了。 and he starts to push away because he's going to drown.
那家伙把他抱得更紧，因为他觉得他 And the guy holds him closer because he thinks he's
因为缺氧而挣扎。 struggling because he's lack of oxygen.
故事是卡梅隆打了他。 And the story is Cameron punches him.
他唯一能做的，也是最后一件事， The only thing, last thing he can do,
就是一拳打在他身上，然后刺穿他的表面。 is punch the guy and break through into the surface.
他的助手和安全潜水员在同一天被解雇。 His assistant and the safety diver were fired on the same day...
几小时后，他又回到了水箱底部。 and he was back down the bottom in the tank within hours.
这是詹姆斯·卡梅隆的报道。 That's James Cameron for you.
这就是《深渊》。 That's The Abyss for you.
到底是怎么回事? What the hell is going on?
《回到未来2》开始 Back to the Future II picks up
就跟上一部一样。 exactly where the last film left off.
然后我们看远处 And then we go to the far off
2015年的未来。 future of the year 2015.
未来。难以置信。 The future. Unbelievable.
我们是坚定的信徒 We are big believers
在安排的时候，把钱还了。 in the set it up, pay it off.
我们想，Hill Valley需要有辨识度。 We thought to ourselves, Hill Valley needs to be recognizable.
从1955年到1985年以及1985年到2015年都可以辨认出来。 It's recognizable from 1955 to 1985 and in 1985 to 2015.
它也必须是可识别的。 It has to be recognizable as well.
《回到未来》的辉煌 The great splendor of Back to the Future
它的风气始于1950年，当时就科幻小说而言， really is its ethos is 1950, when in terms of science fiction,
梦想是一辆会飞的汽车 the dream was a flying car
以及未来的城市，这就是《回到未来2》的切入点， and the cities of the future, and that's where Back to the Future Part II comes in,
这只是50年代对未来理想化的笑话吗 is that it's just jokes about 1950's idealization of the future
所有这些消费主义的想法， And all of those kind of consumerist ideas,
非常有趣的幽默。 wonderful kind of humoristic things.
我们思考世界是如何变化的。你知道一个时间段 We thought about how does the world change. You recognize a time period
在流行文化的层面上基于新产品的外观。 on a pop culture level based on what new products look like.
准备好了吗? Is it ready?
我们在选择品牌方面非常谨慎 We were very cognizant about choosing brands
这就得到了周期的变化。 that would give us a change in period.
我只想要一瓶百事可乐。 All I want is a Pepsi.
这样才会让人觉得舒服 That's what's going to make people feel comfortable
这就是我们现在的处境。 that this is where we are.
开启干燥模式。 Drying mode on.
即使2015年，正如《回到未来2》中描述的那样，并没有完全成功 Even though 2015, as depicted in Back to the Future II, didn't quite pan out
在现实中，我们仍然想要一个悬浮滑板 in reality, we all still want a hoverboard
我还想要一双自动系带的耐克网球鞋。 and I still want a pair of those self-lacing Nike tennis shoes.
我们连《大白鲨》的19部电影都没拿到。 We didn't get 19 Jaws movies.
他们预测了我们对80年代的痴迷， They forecast our obsession with the '80s,
所以他们说得很对。 so they were on point with that.
比夫家族有一整套基因 There's a whole like genetic line of Biffs
就反派角色而言，这真的是非常非常好的作品 really, really good writing as far as a villain that just carries all the things
真正触动我们，触动我们的按钮。 that really trigger us and push our buttons.
怎么了，麦克弗莱?鸡肉吗? What's wrong McFly? Chicken?
我们都认识毕夫。 We all know a Biff.
去拿吧! Go get it!
回到未来2 Back to the Future II gets
非常黑暗，非常快。 real dark, real fast.
在过去的某个地方，时间线倾斜到了这条切线上 Somewhere in the past, the timeline skewed into this tangent
创造另一个1985年。 creating an alternate 1985.
时间悖论，伙计。 Time paradoxes, man.
你不知道会发生什么。 You don't know what's going to happen.
第三次就好了。 Third time's the charm.
你看待人物的方式已经改变了 The way that you see characters have changed
由于新的时间线和已经发生的这些新行动。 as a result of this new timeline and these new actions that have happened.
你和马蒂的情况很像 You're very much in Marty's shoes of like
这个世界不应该是这样的。 this is not the way the world is supposed to be.
事情怎么会变成这样，我该怎么解决? And how did it get this way and how do I fix it?
医生，如果我们失败了怎么办? Doc, what if we don't succeed?
我们必须成功! We must succeed!
《回到未来2》最酷的地方在于他们再次回到了过去 The cool thing about Back to the Future II is where they go back in time again
第一部的情节，现在又有了第二个马蒂 to the events of the first movie, and you now have this second Marty
到处跑着见证第一部电影的发生 running around witnessing the events of the first movie
你会觉得这一切都发生在幕后 and you get the sense that that was always happening behind the scenes
在第一部电影上映的时候。 while the first movie was going on.
作为一个时间旅行迷， As a time travel junkie,
把自己重新投入到另一组事件中去 the idea of reinserting yourself back into another set of events
你已经经历过一次了这让我崩溃了。 that you've already gone through once it just cracks me up.
这种80年代的怀旧 This '80s nostalgia
它存在于未来的2015年，显然是为了模仿 that existed in these sort of future 2015, which was obviously meant to mimic
20世纪80年代人们对50年代的怀旧。 the 1950s nostalgia that people had in the 1980s.
但如果你在20世纪80年代，你不会这么想 But when you're in the 1980s, you don't think of that that way
为了看到这一切成真，为了活得足够久，看到什么 to see that come true, to have lived long enough to see what
我长大了，变得怀旧了。 I grew up and become this nostalgia thing.
我不知道。从某种意义上说，这让我觉得自己有点老了， I don't know. In one sense, it makes me feel a little old,
但这也是一件很有先见之明的事情 but it is also a thing that was very prescient about
回到未来2。 Back to the Future II.
我们有一件上世纪80年代的古董。 We have a quaint little piece from the 1980s.
它叫吸尘器。 It's called the dustbuster.
科幻，当然最好的科幻是不可避免的 Science fiction, certainly the best of science fiction is inevitably
反映了当时地球上正在发生的事情， a reflection of what's going on on Earth at the time it was written,
所有的艺术作品都是创造它们的时代的不可避免的产物。 all works of art are ineluctable products of the time in which they are created.
这与空间无关。 This isn't about space.
这与深水无关。 This isn't about deep water.
这与另一个维度无关。 This isn't about another dimension.
这是关于我们的。 This is about us.
这真的是由观众决定他们想要什么 It's really up to the audience to decide what they want
出于经验。 out of the experience.
科幻小说让人们 Science fiction allowed people
讲故事，谈论极 to tell stories and talk about extremely
重要的社会问题 important social issues
让人们思考，也许他们没有意识到 in ways that got people thinking, maybe without them realizing
他们正在考虑这件事。 they were thinking about it.
我们很难直接讨论这个问题， We have a hard time talking about this directly,
但如果我告诉你一个关于半涂成白色的人的故事 but if I tell you this story about people who are half painted white
一半涂成黑色，憎恨其他人 and half painted black, hating the other people
他们一半涂黑一半涂白。 who are half painted black and half painted white.
种族主义的想法，我们看到它是多么愚蠢和愚蠢 The idea of racism, we see how silly and dumb it is
当你看到它反映在一套不同的文化规范中 when you sort of see it reflected in a different set of cultural norms
在某种程度上，如果没有隐喻，你就无法理解。 hits you in a way that you can't see without the metaphor.
当你还是个小孩或青少年的时候逃跑 Escaping when you're a little kid or teenager
进入科幻小说的世界是一个开始妥协的好方法 into the world of science fiction is a great way to start to come to terms
根据你自己的个性，你是谁，你在这个世界上的位置， with your own personality, who you are, where you fit in the world,
它们会成为你记忆青春的重要基准。 and they become really important benchmarks in how you remember your youth.
所以我认为这在年龄方面是普遍存在的。 So there's something I think that's universal about that in terms of age.
很多这样的电影 A lot of these movies
迎合年轻观众 cater to a young audience
那也许是他们人生的一个真正的转变。 that perhaps was in a real transition in their lives.
这些都是你生命中永远不会忘记的时刻。 And these are times in your lives that you never forget.
虽然这些电影看起来很简单，尤其是以今天的标准来看， As simple as these movies appear to be, especially by today's standards,
它们有一种魔力，因为它们的相关性和亲切感。 there's a magic to them because of their relatability and their intimacy.
它属于给它留下印记的那个人，这是一件美妙的事情 It belongs to the person that it made an imprint on, and that's the wonderful thing
关于的故事。你说出来，好让别人 about stories. You tell it so that somebody else
你能理解它，因为你理解它，这就是为什么你想讲述它。 can relate to it because you related to it and that's why you wanted to tell it.
这是一种能够拥有的东西 There's something about being able to have
你最喜欢的电影，最喜欢的时刻 your favorite movie and your favorite moment
随身携带，想看多少次就看多少次。 and have it with you and watch it as many times as you want.
这就成为了一种传统。 And it became this tradition.
我们可以去租部电影和家人坐在一起。 We could go rent a movie and we could sit down with our family.
它是关于我们当时在哪里，和谁在一起，我们都希望 It was about where we were and who we were with at the time, and we all wish
我们可能会以某种方式回到那里，与那些人在那个时候。 we could be back there in some way doing that with those people at that time.
每个人都喜欢回忆美好的时光。 Everybody likes to remember good times.
有些电影让我们想起了过去的美好时光。 Some of these movies remind us of the good times.
对了，我们为什么要在头上戴胸罩? By the way, why are we wearing bras on our heads?
我认为怀旧将我们联系在一起 I think that nostalgia connects us
不仅是我们自己天真的一面，还有我们的想象力， not only with an innocent part of ourselves, but also with our imagination,
因为随着年龄的增长，我们失去了那种想象力。 because as we get older, we kind of lose that imagination.
每个人都有，但随着年龄的增长，它开始失去光泽。 Everybody has it, but it starts to get tarnished as we get older.
这些电影经久不衰 These movies endure
因为这是我们不想失去的一部分。 because it's a part of us we don't want to lose.
随着年龄的增长，你想重温那些时刻 As you get older, you want to relive those moments
这对你小时候很重要。 that meant so much to you as a kid.
你不想让它们消失，因为它们实际上是你的一部分。 You don't want them to go away because they're actually part of who you are.
我认为你们作为艺术家和电影人所拥有的 I think that what you've got as artists and filmmakers
是很多还是孩子的成年人。 are a lot of adults who are still kids.
他们有能力在成年人的世界里工作， They're capable of working in an adult world,
但他们觉得自己像个孩子，想要表达这一点。 but they feel like a child and want to express that.
有一些东西让这些导演能够拍出这些杰出的电影。 There's something that keeps these directors making these phenomenal films.
它们在某种程度上影响着你的情绪， They're affecting you in some emotional way,
他们在制作的时候也会有那种情绪。 and they're feeling that emotion when they're making it.
我真的很高兴身边有人在倾听他们内心的自我。 And I'm really glad there's people around that are listening to their inner selves.
艺术是唯一看起来 Art is the one thing that looks
超越我们所熟知的现实 beyond the reality that we know around us
它告诉我们什么是可能的。 and it shows us what's possible.
艺术向我们展示了它最高尚的一面 At it's most noble, art shows us
能是什么，应该是什么。 what can be and what ought to be.
这就是科幻小说的精髓所在。 That is what science fiction at its best is all about.
向我们展示了未来的世界 Is showing us the world of tomorrow
以及人类的生活如何变得更好 and how human life can be better
在未来比现在更重要。 in the future than it is right now.
这就是科幻的魔力，伙计。 That's the magic of sci fi, man.